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To wonder how Labour’s Right to Buy on privately rented houses would work?

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Bearbehind · 02/09/2019 10:49

Just read something this morning about Labour proposing Right to Buy on privately rented properties - how would that actually work?

How can they force a private landlord to sell at a discounted rate?

Also, if one of the requirements is you have to have been renting the property for several years, that’s just going to lead to less secure tenancies because landlords will make sure tenants cannot qualify for this.

It seems like a bonkers idea to me

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Bearbehind · 02/09/2019 14:24

What needs explaining OP? It works the same for a small landlord as a big one?

A large corporate landlord is likely to invest in new builds or other properties so the cycle continues.

A small landlord wouldn’t want to sell as there wouldn’t be the same reinvestment options, so they’d just make sure the tenants never qualified to buy.

Thus, even if you think it’s a simple idea to redistribute wealth, it wouldn’t actually work.

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donotcovertheradiator · 02/09/2019 14:25

@mummymeister. Why are you including screeching exclamation marks?

Yes, Momentum is a powerful group and it became powerful because a lot of right thinking people wanted to address the inequality in this country. The Labour Party is their natural home.

Astonishing that this should cause you to have some sort of disingenuous St Vitus Dance.
You seem to imply that no-one

Bearbehind · 02/09/2019 14:32

Just found an article from this proposal by Labour in 2016 which suggests the discount wouldn’t be funded by the government, except for a reduction in CGT so the landlords lose out on the market value

How on earth can they make that work?

Right to buy in the private sector would be limited to tenants in properties which are at least 25 years old and which they had lived in for several years. This would ensure that investors were not deterred from buying new properties to rent out.

Saunders cites an example of a tenant in a private rented property outside London that had been bought by a private landlord 12 years ago for £200,000, and which had increased in value to £400,000. The tenant, under the plan, would be entitled to a 35% discount, worth £140,000, as long as he or she had occupied it for several years.

However, the maximum discount would be capped at £77,900 (the same maximum applies to sales of social housing) so the house would be sold to the tenant for £322,100. This would give the landlord a taxable capital gain of £122,100. But the capital gains tax (CGT) concession would reduce the sum liable to tax to £44,200. The landlord would therefore end up paying CGT of £9,268 – leaving a post-tax capital gain of £112,832 on the original investment of £200,000. Saunders adds: “Even if a tenant qualifies for a maximum discount of £77,900 (or £103,900 in London), these landlords will still enjoy handsome capital gains if they are obliged to sell. The discounts they would have to offer to their tenants would merely share out some of the windfall gains they have been making over the last decade or two.”

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Bearbehind · 02/09/2019 14:32

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 02/09/2019 14:33

Student politics

Where everyone can live in a socialist utopia

It’s a load of bollocks I have been offered to buy a flat I was renting (wish i had) and about to sell my flat that I rent because the tax bill will not make it worth while (not that I disagree with it or have earned much from my flat but it has increased in value so has been like a savings account) but the Tories made changes recently and landlords are having to pay more tax (rightly so) from next year but of course if you have a lot of money you can always shift it around and pay less tax - this is what needs challenging

There was a loop hole that has been tightened before you only paid tax on your earnings from your rental property so you could take off the mortgage and other expenses ground rent etc not you will be taxed on all the money you receive at 20%

SurfnTerfFantasticmissfoxy · 02/09/2019 14:35

It's idiotic and would be totally counterproductive. No landlord in their right mind would rent a house out on terms where there would be the possibly of a tenant forcing a sale at a reduced rate. The only thing this would do is remove a huge number of rental properties from the market. Also - I don't understand why a tenant (long term or otherwise) has a greater right to own a property that they have resided in than anyone else? Housing is a basic human need (and I believe, right) but OWING your own property is no such thing.

IAmALazyArse · 02/09/2019 14:37

What's next? Forcing people to sell if there is just two of them but have a house with 3 bedrooms?

Passthecherrycoke · 02/09/2019 14:38

@Bearbehind I don’t need to explain how they’re funding it. It’s a ridiculous question.

No one expects the government to explain in detail how they are funding the new initiatives every new government brings in, do they? If labour formed government they would have a million new initiatives and policies of which this would just be one.

They would abandon a million initiatives and policies the conservative government were funding.

I could literally make something up and you’d have no idea whether it was right or not. What with the treasury being extraordinarily complex and all.

@Costacoffeeplease
How about your tenants move to the same place they go to when landlords decide to sell in any other circumstance? Hmm

timshelthechoice · 02/09/2019 14:39

More nonsense from Labour but this:
We are an ordinary family but through savings and overseas working have 3 rental properties with families happily living in them. If this law is passed, we'll have to evict and leave them empty until DC are old enough to inherit

PMSL! You really think you are an 'ordinary' family? SMH.

Saddler · 02/09/2019 14:40

It wouldn't, it's a false promise to get a load of students to vote for them

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Bearbehind · 02/09/2019 14:43

I don’t need to explain how they’re funding it. It’s a ridiculous question. No one expects the government to explain in detail how they are funding the new initiatives

PMSL

Er, yes they do if they have half a brain and don’t just look at the flashy headlines.

But I’m beginning to think you are actually Corbyn so expect no better!

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IAmALazyArse · 02/09/2019 14:46

I don’t need to explain how they’re funding it. It’s a ridiculous question. No one expects the government to explain in detail how they are funding the new initiatives

It should be absolutely mandatory to explain in detail.
"We will give 3 billion extra to x"
Where from? How? Is anything else going to have money taken iff and suffer?
Unless they have detailed explanation I don't believe a word of that promise.

timshelthechoice · 02/09/2019 14:47

It's not 'very' ordinary to be able to work abroad and have enough tax free cash to buy three investment properties or have so much cash to stash offshore. That's quite wealthy.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 02/09/2019 14:48

Now, I wonder why the theft of social housing given into private hands didn't quite provoke as much sheer outrage as taking private housing back into social hands.

FWIW I don't think this idea will work and have a private grumble about those of us caught in the trap for years who were and will be abandoned. But something needs to correct the housing market and stop private buy-to-lets. Without that we continue to become a dual nation of haves and have nots, it really is that simple.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 02/09/2019 14:49

As for funding - stopping the money flow paid out in housing benefit to private landlords may go a long way towards balancing the books.

donotcovertheradiator · 02/09/2019 14:51

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Passthecherrycoke · 02/09/2019 14:51

But in case you haven’t noticed - I am not leader of the opposition suggesting this. I do not need to explain in detail where the money comes from.

I can however tell the the current government are happy to invest in this to a much greater level than they are currently able to and I personally believe there is plenty available.

OP I’ve made a mistake taking you at face value. You don’t want to know how this would work, you just want to pick holes at your demanded answers.

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Dangerfloof · 02/09/2019 14:53

HAs are private landlords and currently offer RTB
Actually it's right to acquire. The discount is set at 12k round here. The Gov gives the HA a set amount and once that's used up on rta that's it. So in my area at least maybe 12 people will have the rta and 7 will take it up then the moneys gone til next April when it all starts again.
This being discussed now is more for ll who own fewer properties than HA in general.

It's a stupid idea, will make ll get rid of tenants before they could qualify, means people have less security and they dont have much now. Wont make ll want to spend money doing up houses so more slumlords etc and it will up the price of houses short term.

hellsbellsmelons · 02/09/2019 14:54

It won't work.
Corbyn is an absolute prick!
And he wonders why labour don't win general elections!
The sooner he fucks off to the far side of fuck, the better.

darkcloudsandsunnyskies · 02/09/2019 14:56

They take your house. Corbyn moves into Buckingham palace.

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