To think that suspending parliament is to actually avoid no deal rather than force it

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I’d love a crystal ball to see how this is all going to pan out. In lieu of that I think Boriss plan is to make everyone think he’s willing to go for no deal which will have the opposite effect and lead to a deal

It will have to be pretty much what’s always been on offer but it’ll be talked up as being different

Then it’s just a case of how many Leavers actually want more than being able to say we’ve left as to whether that deal survives

I'm not sure this thread was your best choice for a Tory party political broadcast Xenia. You are rather inviting posters to laugh in your face, given that they're the ones who crimped out the current turd.

The EU need to believe we are prepared to walk away with no deal in order to actually do a deal with us.

The EU did make a deal with the UK, and the UK then didn't get it through. The UK is acting like it wants everything it wants and the EU will just have to give it then. That is not how a deal works, it needs to work for both sides.

People are acting like the EU offered nothing. In reality the EU offered:
A special negotiated deal (the WA)
Norway type deal
Canada type deal
Turkey type deal
Switserland type deal
Staying in the EU

And the UK just tantrums that it's not good enough.

And the UK just tantrums that it's not good enough.
Indeed but part of the problem is that parliament also has a very large numbers of MPs who won't vote for anything except remain, despite a majority voting for A50.

part of the problem is that parliament also has a very large numbers of MPs who won't vote for anything except remain

and part of the problem is that parliament also has a very large numbers of MPs who won't vote for anything except a no deal Brexit

Nobody will compromise. THAT is the problem.

OP, it is very clearly a strategy, only by making very clear to Europe that Brexit is happening now, deal or no deal, is there any chance for a deal actually happening.

It just confuses me that people cannot see this.

He is playing for very high stakes, but I think it is the only way out of this deadlock.

It just has to be done.

and part of the problem is that parliament also has a very large numbers of MPs who won't vote for anything except a no deal Brexit
It's a small number who want no deal. The problem is there's a majority against no deal but there is no majority for the deal on offer.

It isn't the only way out of the deadlock at all. We could unilaterally revoke Article 50. Johnson just prefers this option.

I have a question if a Sheffield Hallam by-election is called and then later a general election is called and the by-election hasn't taken place. Does the by-election have to take place constitutionally as it costs a lot of money and seems a bit pointless?

I don't think so. It didnt in Manchester Gorton in 2017.

He is playing for very high stakes, but I think it is the only way out of this deadlock.

It just has to be done.

But why have you got that much faith in him? What if he's not doing that at all and he intends on crashing out with no deal to please his ERG chums

It isn't the only way out of the deadlock at all. We could unilaterally revoke Article 50. Johnson just prefers this option.

That's a fair point.

He is playing for very high stakes, but I think it is the only way out of this deadlock.

That sounds like a gambler, and we know how often the gambler wins.