To think that suspending parliament is to actually avoid no deal rather than force it

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I’d love a crystal ball to see how this is all going to pan out. In lieu of that I think Boriss plan is to make everyone think he’s willing to go for no deal which will have the opposite effect and lead to a deal

It will have to be pretty much what’s always been on offer but it’ll be talked up as being different

Then it’s just a case of how many Leavers actually want more than being able to say we’ve left as to whether that deal survives

I have no idea if that's what he's doing, but if it is, there's nothing wrong with that. I did that when I bought a house.

This is nothing like buying a house, it is more like a rental agreement.

Say you are living in a flat, have been paying a less than market rent and your landlord has decorated the flat to your taste and installed a new bathroom and kitchen at your request.

You now want to move to another flat with a different landlord. You need a good reference so should still pay your rent, report any repairs and generally be a good tennant.

You should not spend your last month not paying rent, wiping shit on the walls and smashing up the new kitchen and then expect a reference and your deposit back.

He needs to make the eu think no deal is a credible and realistic threat to stand a chance of getting any concessions. Parliament putting a stop to that scuppers his negotiating power.

He's right, in thr two weeks after they come back there is ample time to put a stop to it, he is simply playing hard ball with the eu.

He himself has said he doesn't want no deal, in fact his exact words were no one does.

He's simply halted parliament to make sure they don't step in and remove his one bargaining chip and prolong this whole mess.

He doesn't have a bargaining chip. Threatening to set yourself on fire and expecting other people to fuck themselves over so they don't have to smell the smoke is not a bargaining chip.

Loving all the increasingly far-fetched analogies (on all sides).

I think he's just placing himself as Mr Gung-Ho Brexiteer in Chief before the inevitable election. He doesn't have the numbers to get a deal through (there's no deal that all three of the EU, the ERG and the DUP will agree to) unless he courts Labour with a soft Brexit (which would cause Farage to field Brexit party candidates in all constituencies and murder the Tory vote), even if they didn't smell the blood in the water. Now with only 3(?) days left to them, the Remain alliance are far more likely to go straight to VONC, and Boris is taking his chances that with Brexit party tacit support and if the Remain parties don't get their electoral pact sorted, the Remain vote will be split between Labour and the rest and he'll get back in with a comfortable margin. I don't know what the plan would be then - pass the WA or charge on for no deal? It would be interesting to see who the Tory party prospective parliamentary candidates are - does anyone know if there's a central list somewhere? It must be a bit of a mess right now - some sitting MPs have been deselected, some might be in the process of reapplying to stand as Tory candidates next time round. I think you could easily see a night of the long knives taking place there with decent remainer/soft Brexit Tory MPs getting deselected and replaced with hard Brexiteers - that would seem to be Cummings' style.

i disagree- this is to destroy the brexit party and to get the cons behind him.

he doesn't give a shit about the country. never has. brexiteers already have been primed to believe this is all the fault of remainers and the eu.

honestly, i think its very foolish to expect good things of boris. he wants to be pm and stay pm. our welfare is not his agenda.

What you said helmet. Basically all you have to do is think "how will this benefit Boris Johnson personally, him and his weird obsession with being Churchill" and then it all makes sense.

our welfare is not his agenda.

Indeed. If it's a No deal with the inevitable consequences that will bring, it won't be him who suffers.

"It's absolutely nothing like buying a house. If we leave with no deal WE WILL HAVE NO HOUSE TO LIVE IN."

That's somewhat hysterical in both senses of the word. No wonder people throw around phrases like "project fear".

What on earth is all the nonsense about this being a ploy to show the EU we mean business?! The EU don't care if we walk away with no deal - the only people affected by it are us. We are threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot to prove we are willing to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Basically what MerryChristmasHarry said!

The EU don't care if we walk away with no deal - the only people affected by it are us. We are threatening to shoot ourselves in the foot to prove we are willing to shoot ourselves in the foot.

That's not actually true. It is in nobody's best interest if the UK leave without a deal. The EU have said this again and again.

Nobody knows what Boris is doing because Boris has no idea what he's doing either. He is incapable of negotiating, he acts like an entitled child, throws out insults and has tantrums when he doesn't get his own way. Hopefully the vote of no confidence threat actually happens

This isn’t about the EU - it’s about shutting down MPs.

Otherwise he’d be engaging with members across all sides of the house to try and explain the situation we are in. He’s not. He’s hiding away in his bunker with Dominic Cummings. Dominic Cummings is massively anti-government in its current form, which includes parliament. So he’s finding a way to side step it and panic MPs into a deal.

There will be no way a substantially changed deal will be forthcoming in the next few weeks. There may well be tweaks and adjustments but I don’t think anything fundamentally different.

MPs will be backed into a corner and end up voting for the revised deal.

This deal will please no one.

Personally I don’t think there’s a democratic mandate for no deal. None.

Of course there's no mandate for No Deal. It wasn't on the ballot in the referendum, and when presented with parties explicitly running on a No Deal platform, voters did not endorse them. No Deal candidates didn't even come close to getting half the votes cast in the EU elections. No Deal is undemocratic.

How does that win him a GE?

He wins because there is no alternative. There is no opposition anymore.

I dont know that he will win the GE, but the Tories lost their majority at the last one and have done very poorly in elections since. He is looking at improving their position. A substantial number of the voters who've deserted the Tories have done so due to Brexit. Johnson is prioritising winning them back.

I'm not saying this strategy will necessarily work btw, just that he wouldn't be doing it if he didn't think it was their best chance of maximising their vote share. That's the aim, not the best interests of the UK as a whole. Hell, it might well lead to the breakup of the UK, but that would be considered an acceptable sacrifice in return for bettering the party position. Not like Scotland or NI return many Tory MPs anyway.

If I had to question what was uppermost in his mind, doing the right thing for everyone in the country, or doing what's best for himself, I'd go with the latter. I think it's about what can get him the most votes/most power.

Labour has not won an election since 2005 because the British people have more sense. Vote Conservative.

What do the Conservative party have to offer beyond promises based on getting yourself into massive debt compared to your income (e.g going to university, buying a house, training to be a nurse to name but a few examples)?

What do the Conservative party have to offer beyond dismantling public services and pocketing profit for the 1%?

They’ve spent the last 10 years letting the place crumble, when they could have invested a bit more and helped grow things.

Then we have this whole Brexit mess on top of it all to contend with.

I think the plan is just to stop others putting through a bill to prevent a no deal. Once they go back into session, all bills previously have pretty much died and won't be put through in time before the end of October. He will probably push through no deal.

Hopefully I'm wrong and you're right.

Pretty sure he's pretending that he's pretending to be prepared to go for No Deal in order to get a good deal. So that we don't stop him from getting what he really wants - No Deal.

If he has a soul, he has sold it to the Devil.

I think he's acting this way to force an election. He knows that what he's done will piss off MPs. He wants to capitalise on people feeling pissed off about Brexit to get more votes by being Tories and Brexit party combined. If he doesn't do that now, he knows he'll lose an election after Brexit because of the negative outcomes. He can't call an election himself because of the fixed term parliament act.

Basically I think it's all about him wanting to be PM and get votes. He doesn't give a stuff about collateral damage eg the whole constitution and civil liberties.

He is a massive narcissist. His main aim is to do something dramatic to put himself in the History Books.