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To think there will be riots?

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Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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LonelyTiredandLow · 29/08/2019 18:09

@Oliver if you have a diabetic in your family I sincerely hope you have actually consulted with a professional - everyone I know who has is completely terrified. I am amazed you are so relaxed!

Novocastrian · 29/08/2019 18:09

@Ilovemyskunks. I know someone in charge of no deal planning in a SE health trust. He's quite adamant that medicine shortages will happen, it's just a question of how bad it'll be.

pumkinspicetime · 29/08/2019 18:12

End of the UK

I think this may well be the end of the UK. Not because we are going to fall in the sea.
Or because we are going to starve to death.
But
Because it is easier to stoke the fires of Nationalism than put them out.
I do see Scotland deciding that it wants independence.
It is also highly likely that NI will reignite and put pressure on that part of the Union longer term.

WithTwoGiantBoys · 29/08/2019 18:12

All these people saying we should just leave with no deal as if that would settle anything! On the 1st November the EU can simply tell us no trade deal until we agree to (if we are lucky) what is in the Withdrawl Agreement. We will then have YEARS of arguing about brexit ahead of us. Meanwhile we will have told the world that we can't be trusted to fulfill our obligations, pay our debts, or negotiate in good faith. We will also desperately need trade deals. This is not a good position to negotiate from.

And that doesn't even begin to cover the disruption, shortages, and dwindling workforce in vital services. We are a laughing stock to the rest of the world, we've spent our soft power and with the prorogation parliament we've lost the moral high ground when it comes to democracy.

I will be protesting on Saturday, everyone should be.

ilovemyskunks · 29/08/2019 18:12

@Novocastrian. Just because he is not doing it doesn't mean that someone else is not doing it.

KennDodd · 29/08/2019 18:12

@Suzeyshoes

I would argue that two women have already been murdered because of the referendum and Brexit. I also believe a Polish man was murdered shortly after the referendum and there was some speculation that that was Brexit related.

In terms of numbers of people dying I think the much greater threat is restarting of the troubles in NI. The GFA is estimated to have saved the lives of 2,000 people, Brexit rips that up. Now, even if you argue that vested interests are just using Brexit as an excuse to restart violence, well we have still given them that excuse and without it things would have probably remained quiet.

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 18:16

Who died because of Brexit?

KennDodd · 29/08/2019 18:18

I really hope that the governments own experts are wrong about 'no deal' consequences but I would rather be a Remainer with egg on my face than a Leaver with blood on my hands.

Sara107 · 29/08/2019 18:19

Shortages will happen, regardless of what planning or deal is put in place. The entire supply chain for everything is ‘just in time’ and it only takes a slight variation in people’s behaviour to throw things off kilter. Last petrol crisis happened because there was a hint of tanker drivers taking action. People were prudent and filled up their cars a bit before they were empty, or filling the tank instead of their normal half tank. Slight behaviour changes and the pumps ran dry. When snow is forecast the same thing happens with bread and milk - people pick up an extra loaf or pint and it all runs out, there is no slack/ storage built in to cope with sudden upticks in demand. When half the population decide they will just fill up with petrol and get a few extra groceries in just in case Brexit slows things up - the shops will be emptied. People might be apathetic about nebulous concepts like proroguing parliament but they will not be apathetic when they can’t buy what they want in the supermarket

DuckWillow · 29/08/2019 18:21

I’m a staunch Remainer but have no doubt we will Leave at the end of October.

See I don’t want riots or medical shortages.

We have no say about what the fuckwits above us do and I just hope that it’s not too painful for ordinary people.

Sadly I think a lot of Leavers (not all) voted as a protest against the Govt after struggling with years of austerity. Sadly they will find nothing has changed and in fact their situation will worsen,

Oliversmumsarmy · 29/08/2019 18:23

LonelyTiredandLow

The way dp looks at it is if there is a shortage of insulin and he floats off in a diabetic coma then that is preferable to the pain he is going to face in the last days when his cancer really takes hold in maybe 18-24 months.

He just feels the extra 7 months wasted have made the situation worse and is angry that tm prevaricated and didn't lead the country out so we could get on with getting things running again.

Especially in the last 7 months his prescriptions have been very scarce

Alexalee · 29/08/2019 18:23

Medicine is tariff free on wto terms I am led to believe

bellinisurge · 29/08/2019 18:23

"I would rather be a Remainer with egg on my face than a Leaver with blood on my hands."

My sentiments exactly @KennDodd

gilliansgardenbench · 29/08/2019 18:24

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bellinisurge · 29/08/2019 18:24

@Alexalee , so how does it get to your local chemist. Every single step . Do you know?

KennDodd · 29/08/2019 18:27

@howwudufeel

Jo Cox was murdered by a man shouting Britain First a few days before the referendum. Britain First is a racist group and huge supporters of Brexit. They were drumming up race hatred before the referendum. I honestly don't think she would have been killed if it wasn't for the political climate and background at the time.

Lyra McKee was killed my a resurgent/reborn IRA. Now the increase of IRA activity since the referendum could be a coincidence, it seems too much of a coincidence to me though.

To my shame I don't know the name of the Polish man killed in a race hate attack just after the referendum.

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 29/08/2019 18:29

This thread gets worse and I can't read anymore. Honestly Hmm

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 18:29

All so utterly dreadful.

pikapikachu · 29/08/2019 18:30

I'm sure the sweet loveable humanitarian people of the eu wouldnt want any british people to die by denying them medicine

Nobody is denying the UK medicine.

At the moment it takes 2 mins to check a lorry from the EU and 20 mins to check a lorry from a non-EU destination. Currently it's estimated that 1% of lorries are non-EU.

You understand that means fewer trucks getting into the UK right? If it takes longer for things to be imported, the price of the medicine has to rise as costs to ship the medicine increase. (The lorry driver has to be paid more as the process is slower etc) NHS paying more for medicine is not what people want.

I've not heard of new jobs being created so more trucks can be processed. I suspect that without knowing if we are Deal/No Deal, ports can't create new processes and train new staff anyway.

The government say that medicine is the second most important delivery to the UK (number one being water purification chemicals that we import from Holland) but without a final decision on Deal:No Deal and an import process decided on, it's obvious that on 1st November some trucks with medicine will end up being held up. Some medicines have to be delivered within days of manufacturing.

gilliansgardenbench · 29/08/2019 18:32

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Novocastrian · 29/08/2019 18:34

@loveskunks. Wake up. Even the government's own report said there would be medicine shortages. The person I mentioned believes people will die

howwudufeel · 29/08/2019 18:34

I read that the government have set up a shipping lane just for medicines to be imported but that could be rubbish. I don’t know what to believe.

user1493997854 · 29/08/2019 18:34

I agree 100% with you! Signed loads of petitions yesterday toom

chomalungma · 29/08/2019 18:36

I was talking to a leaver today who said "we should be just like Gran Canaria" - not in the EU but has no tariffs. She is very pro Johnson and No Deal

I explained to her about the reality of the agreement Gran Canaria has - a link with the Customs Union - which she openly admitted she didn't know about. She then tried to change the subject - I was talking about what happened yesterday.

It's so frustrating debating with people who don't know about the subject. I did the same with someone else at work who voted Leave and asked them what they thought of the border issue. Didn't know or care.

It's this level of apathy and ignorance that is so frustrating.

pikapikachu · 29/08/2019 18:37

I’m a staunch Remainer but have no doubt we will Leave at the end of October.

Agree. I think that Bercow, Miller etc are as bad as May and Boris for gambling with Britain's future and hoping that others get out of the way. Personal ego and party politics over their country.

Brexit will be extra bad because of how it's been implemented. TM really should have come out and explained to Remainers why Brexit could be good and started reuniting everyone quickly but the divisions have been allowed to get too deep and I think that we will see the break up of the Union too,

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