To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

Justasking This is the poll that prevented many voters from responding 'No' and where many voters have admitted voting any times.

have communicated with many people on the subject online and in real life I've come across quite a few leavers who've changed their minds - not ONE remainer who has

Actually voted remain but think I might vote leave if there was another vote because of a couple of reasons I have since found.

I voted remain because for me personally I wanted the freedom to be able to up sticks and move to a different country if I wanted to but I have since found out that whilst we have unchecked FOM other countries in the EU don't. So that blew a big hole in why I wanted to Remain

And secondly it is embarrassing to belong to a group of people who are feeding off each other's collective hysteria.

When I come on these type of threads I end up having to check for fake news.
There is a tendency to take a newspapers hypothetical forecasts and state them as facts

I voted remain. We didn't win so I whilst I would prefer to leave with a deal in place I can understand that although scary it might be best to leave without a deal.

Anyone who has bid on a house knows you don't tell the property owner you want the house regardless because you will end up paying more. Better to let the vendor know you are prepared to walk than end up over paying

There will be an opportunity soon in the coming GE for the liberal democrats to argue for full EU membership. The chances of stopping an exit on the 31st of October now is all but impossible.

A general election will come soon after, and everyone that wants to vote for full membership can, and if the liberal democrats are successful they can apply to rejoin the EU immediately. We can join as a proper member, including the euro etc, and can have more EU not less.

I can't think why people are not looking beyond this, and should be planning to fight the case at the GE.

We should not be preventing democracy (the ref was won by leave) but there are many, many years ahead that other GE/refs etc can take place, so there is no need to feel all is lost, if democracy is retained.

@JudgeJudyismyinspiration: I've been thinking the same thing, it'll be great to be in the Euro and the Schengen zone. Every revolution has a counter revolution.

Judge that would be wonderful.

Would be incredibly ironic if that happened as most remainers I know would have settled for leave if it had been handled properly. Maybe it will come back to bite them on the bum.

Let’s face it there aren’t going to be many flocking to vote Tory or even labour.

Shit will hit the fan. Not immediately, but when jobs go, when prices skyrocket, when there are shortages of basics, when NHS is decimated, when another Windrush on a massive scale happens - there will be trouble.

There was a poll yesterday asking did Boris Johnson do the right thing - was interesting 82% agreed with Boris in Wales

That's a very interesting poll in North Wales!

"Should Boris Johnson suspend Parliament to push through a 'no deal'?

Live poll - 11,325 people (82%) in favour, 2,431 (18%) against, 42 undecided.

I wonder if that is because everyone is just fed up with the current stalemate and want to move on. By stopping alternative legislation (could this really have been done in just one week when Parliament was not in recess anyway?) and ensuring Brexit we at least start the next stage whether you agree with Brexit or not.

It also gives Boris a better hand to negotiate with the EU. I don’t agree with a ‘no deal’ Brexit but without it being a very real possibility we lose much of our negotiating position.

Oliversmumsarmy sorry but I am very sceptical that anyone would change their vote purely due to "embarrassment" and voting leave because freedom of movement isn't as free as you thought makes no sense either, as you'd have zero freedom of movement if we crash out!

And we certainly don't have unchecked freedom of movement! Not sure where you've got that from. There are checks and restrictions on eu migrants to U.K. I personally know this because 2 of my friends that's their job! 1 works border control in Dover the other works in visas and immigration. Both remain voters, interestingly partly because they both think leaving especially with no deal will make their jobs a damn sight harder!

"I can't think why people are not looking beyond this, and should be planning to fight the case at the GE." Do you REALLY think if we crash out EU would let us back in? We have zero leverage on that score!

I also wouldn't trust the lib dems as far as I could throw them!!

They massively betrayed their voters when they were in coalition with tories and even the briefest look at Jo Swinson and other lib dems voting records shows they are nothing but yellow tories.

@Suzeyshoes I'm genuinely sorry to hear that your husband has been on the receiving end of racist comments (due to the colour of his skin?)

However I'm sure you realise that they weren't because he is French as being French is not a race.

@Clanivo well things do count north of Watford Gap you know.

Yes there may be protests, riots (looting) in the cities, outside the cities we will watch it on tv, read of it in the media and wonder at the violence. Not all of the UK live in cities although I sometimes think that city folk think us rural/northern/western folk should do as they say. The south east of England is not the centre of the universe.

There won't be riots. Remainers are a pretty law abiding lot and they are in a difficult position as they (we) lost the referendum anyway and Parliament has already voted to leave.

"Helena the Hugh Grant tweet is embarrassingly self-important and not very clever. You sound like a breathless teenager"

Are you insinuating i have a crush on him because i dont. We dont all live life by that standard even though you may well do.

I just found it funny thats all. Or is a sense of humour another thing not allowed in the sunlit uplands?!!

One of this is any surprise. Boris Johnson made it absolutely clear he would do anything to get us to leave on the 31st October. The EU won’t budge an once because they are terrified other countries will follow suit. I am surprised that everyone is, well, surprised by this move.

Call out to any leavers still responding on this thread. A real, honest answer...

Say the ‘project fear’ threats come true, and there are substantial drug shortages, and as a consequence people die. Are you ok with this? Do you consider those deaths as collateral damage and ‘worthwhile’ in exchange for what you believe we are gaining in return?
I try to be respectful when having these discussions but this is one thing I can’t get my head around. I’d be interested to know how those who are full on no deal are ok with this. Please don’t reply saying this is ‘hysteria’. Pretend it’s a hypothetical question.

helena

That hugh certainly has a way with words

Don’t fancy him either mind

Suzey I genuinely believe that leavers don’t think there will be any shortages. That’s certainly the strong impression I get anyway. Also, a lot of them have utterly shit situations with zero hours contracts, rising costs of living etc that they think things can’t get much worse. There was a woman on the news last night who has three jobs and still doesn’t earn the cost of childcare each week in the summer holidays. She lives off her overdraft. Does that in any way help you to understand their mindset?

Suzey I voted remain but will have a go at answering. If we stayed in and that led to people dying from shortages for whatever reason eg if the EU would not let imports of a life saving US drug come in that would be a similar issue.

I don't think any remainer or Brexiteer would be happy if anyone died; just as I would not be happy if Corbyn got in and spent all the money so there were nothing left for the less well off.

Pretty sure there have been guarantees from the EU over drug imports so I will call u hysterical

I'd really like to see some concrete figures on exactly who from the UK is working in the EU, not expat pensioners. Also, what salaries they are on. I bet it is really low. Most Brits cannot hold a conversation in another language.

Most Brits with a bit of sense end up living and working in an English speaking country e.g. US, Australia, NZ, Canada or a place where English is used in business. For example, the average expat in Singapore earns £130K a year and pays very little tax.

All these people saying they want to work abroad in Europe. What's stopping you? Why haven't you done it. I've lived in 4 other countries and FOM didn't come into it. If you have the skills you can pretty much go anywhere, but those countries I've listed above are better bets for us Brits.

Do you need any of those drugs @Alexalee ? Because I'm not sure you'd be so gullible or blasé if you did.

@Alexalee

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/no-deal-brexit-nhs-crisis-staff-medicine-shortages-bma-unison-a9082186.html

www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5226

Say the ‘project fear’ threats come true, and there are substantial drug shortages, and as a consequence people die. Are you ok with this?

Of course not - no-one I know would regard this as "collateral damage". The problem is that we have all be repeatedly lied to about what may happen (in this and other areas). No-one is without an agenda here. I highly doubt that anyone here or in the EU would want to preside over such a situation, whatever the entrenched political views.

I object to be being accused of causing the deaths of people when it hasn't happened. The question on the ballot was not "do you want innocent people to die".

I'm sure the sweet loveable humanitarian people of the eu wouldnt want any british people to die by denying them medicine

Yeah but if the roads are clogged up, tbe precious medicine doesn't get through.