To think there will be riots?

[Anoni]

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

“People just want this over and done with”

Some people might. Others want continued democratic process!

@onetreebyariver
I'm no expert but it took me a few minutes of googling to find out that the Channel Islands are in the customs union. Did you not know this when you posted?

"Actually I live in the Channel Islands. We aren't in the EU. Our supermarkets operate just fine. Our diabetics use insulin, unimpeded; jobs are aplenty and our medical care is a damn side better than yours in the UK."
Because you have arrangements in place. I wonder how much they rely on the UK economy. No Deal pulls the rug out from any arrangement we have and, in case you hadn't noticed, there are one or two more people on mainland UK.

I have family there , btw.

we've all made our own deals the EU that benefit us
I think the worry is more that the UK hasn't made any such deals?
It's the short-term consequences that people are worried about, not what it will be like once a system has been set up and established as it is in the Channel Islands.
I'd say Guernsey's ability to keep stocks of important medicines despite winter storms would be a better argument in favour of things being OK during Brexit.

I wonder how much they rely on the UK economy.
I believe 90% of Guernsey's medicines come via Portsmouth.

Can't wait for all of this to be over, and for the Remainers to STFU!

People who feel very strongly that the country should remain are never, ever going to STFU

In exactly the same way that people who wanted the country to leave the EU went on and on and on and on about it...for years

May had a chance to achieve a compromise position back in 2016 with a Norway style deal...the kind that Farage actually advocated back then.

The Farage/Norway clips I've seen on social media have obviously been taken out of context. Several clips are taken from an interview with Andrew Marr (November 2015) - In fact, Nigel Farage says he doesn't want a Norway deal ("those arrangements suit Norway...we can do something far,far better than that") - he wants a simple free trade agreement with the EU - with access to the single market (like China) but not membership of the single market ect;

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p036tf3g

Unfortunately, we sent Theresa May in to negotiate...

Rioting (def: out of control political gatherings?) is already happening.
I had to travel to London a few weeks ago for a family matter.
I'm a middle-aged woman on double crutches. Slow, obvs disabled.
I was just coming out of St Thos. A&E and turned onto Westminster Bridge by mistake. I got caught up in a standoff between some far right 'protestors' and those protesting against them. The Police swept us along to Parliament Sq where I didn't feel safe so I made my way down Whitehall to find a coffee shop (mistake...) where I could rest.
As I walked along a drunk white middle-aged man with no shirt but many far right tattoos and a Free Tommy Robinson banner was screaming: 'we want out Country back' and was right next to me, I looked down at the floor not at him but he still looked me right in the eye and said: 'F off you C', I think just because he could?
I've been on marches as a youngster in the late 1980's, so I'm not entirely naive but it was ugly and the Police were struggling to keep control. I posted on MN (on one of the excellent Westminstenders threads) and people were saying this was not uncommon any more. So, in some senses is it happening already?

I think if there are fuel / food shortages then there will be marches that could get out of hand / be used by those who will 'riot' anyway

Rufus, that's a strange position to take up when we have not come out yet.

If we come out and actually do well will you just campaign to go back in for the hell of it?

@user1493759849 I know its a tricky concept, but you do understand that leaving with or without a deal is simply a move to the next stage - agreeing trading relationships?

We don't get new trading relationships immediately by dumping our existing partners and screaming "Take me now", it is a long and tedious process of negotiation, particularly where around 80% of our GDP is supply of services, which as I'm sure you're aware is not covered by the WTO.

Brexit is the start. You'll have 20 years of this to come. Look forward to the public inquiry in 20 years time when Dominic Cummings claims tearfully to have only been following orders...

A room, that sounds terrifying.
However the brexit March had a few arrests. Rain drop in sea compared to something like Notting hill carnival.

There are some far left agitators who like to stir up trouble, and far right agitators. Both sides thrive on it sadly. But on both sides they ate the minority although Owen seemed to be inciting fight back on sky?
Hopefully not

it would be to try and demand that Parliament is not suspended
Fair enough - but aren't there quite a few people who'd just see this as a way for "something" to happen, to get out of the deadlock? Even if they don't actually want a no-deal brexit?

Can't wait for all of this to be over, and for the Remainers to STFU!

Oh, I think I can guarantee that this will never ever happen.

Do well in what way and for how long?

I’ll never give up being European. My teens will be voting soon and have been part of Europe their whole lives. Many new and old voters, parties and politicians won’t be giving up and will carry on campaigning and being part of politics.It’s called democracy.

Pretty sure when it’s apparent how much we’ve lost we’ll be back begging to be let back in causing another generation of unnecessary expense and hassle.

Thinking of the billions of pounds and hours of time wasted and what they could have been spent on is heartbreaking.

If we come out and actually do well will you just campaign to go back in for the hell of it?

I think if you reread my post you will see that i was quite careful to say that people who feel strongly (one way or the other) don’t shut up

At no point have i said that i am one of those people

People might not directly campaign to get back in...but they certainly won’t stop blaming problems on brexit. In the same way that people who wanted to leave for decades in some cases didnt stop complaining about the EU

I took shut the fuck up to mean stop talking about it...people will not stop talking about it

What do you mean you will never give up being European?
Who has told you that you may have to give it up? I thought our geography meant we are European and part of Europe?

We don't need a council anywhere to tell us whether we are or not.

Aby
Thinking of the billions of pounds and hours of time wasted and what they could have been spent on is heartbreaking.
Is this referring to the EU?

The Farage/Norway clips I've seen on social media have obviously been taken out of context. Several clips are taken from an interview with Andrew Marr (November 2015) - In fact, Nigel Farage says he doesn't want a Norway deal ("those arrangements suit Norway...we can do something far,far better than that") - he wants a simple free trade agreement with the EU - with access to the single market (like China) but not membership of the single market

Interesting. I have only seen the clips in the context of Farage now backing No Deal, in which case I think the Norway point is extremely relevant:

1. “better” than Norway implies some sort of deal because No Deal is the baseline that is available to all. Hardly “better”!

1. All countries (unless under sanction) have access to the single market as long as their goods meet EU standards. However without a trade agreement they may be subject to tariffs, and as non-members they can’t influence standards, just follow them. As far as I can tell that’s the situation China is in. If China has a deeper agreement could you please post a link with more info? (I know that’s a bit cheeky asking you to do my research but I didn’t find anything and posting links is pretty much your favourite thing :) )

No as you well know to the money lost over Brexit, that will he lost, the opportunities lost, the time.... all could have been spent on education, the NHS.....

Being European to me means being part of the EU.

Oh I thought you were referring to the billions the EU waste on a yearly basis

Care to elaborate?

but aren't there quite a few people who'd just see this as a way for "something" to happen, to get out of the deadlock? that may be so but how does that justify suspending Parliament ?

Surely it's not the only way out of deadlock ?

The ends always justify the means ?

We don't get new trading relationships immediately by dumping our existing partners and screaming "Take me now", it is a long and tedious process of negotiation, particularly where around 80% of our GDP is supply of services, which as I'm sure you're aware is not covered by the WTO.

Brexit is the start. You'll have 20 years of this to come

oh dear Lord Kingsassasin I hadn't really grasped that .

this is awful isn't it ? I wonder how Cameron is feeling ?

I’ll never give up being European. My teens will be voting soon and have been part of Europe their whole lives. Many new and old voters, parties and politicians won’t be giving up and will carry on campaigning and being part of politics.It’s called democracy.

Pretty sure when it’s apparent how much we’ve lost we’ll be back begging to be let back in causing another generation of unnecessary expense and hassle.

I really doubt it, but so be it.

Europe and the sense of European-ness long precedes the EU, by the way.

Europe and the sense of European-ness long precedes the EU, by the way do explain ...