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To think there will be riots?

853 replies

Anoni · 28/08/2019 10:51

Announced on the news that boris johnson may suspend parliament to reduce the chance of mps being able to block a no deal brexit allowing him to democratically force the uk to leave the EU.

Am i wrong in thinking if this goes ahead there may be serious protests and maybe even riots in london and all across the country to force the governments hand?

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Cinammoncake · 28/08/2019 15:11

So lets say this happened, no deal because of parliament unable to debate it. What about after that. The government wants to bring through another unpopular policy, let's say sell off the NHS for example. Shut parliament to force it through. And so on. It's a very dangerous thing. I would have thought that's obvious.

Suzeyshoes · 28/08/2019 15:13

Yes @Cinammoncake that’s the worry. Johnson has set a dangerous precedent. If I want to surpass parliament I can.

AsTheWorldTurns · 28/08/2019 15:13

Grow the fuck up. It's time to take responsibility for your actions. Stop blaming everyone else.

Damn straight!

Sick of them giving blithe, meaningless non responses when asked Wtaf they were playing at!!

What was who playing at?

The past three years have unfolded shambolically under a Remainer PM and Parliament. I don't understand how anyone can say differently.

Brexiteers have had very little influence in anything up until July.

Since the Brexit announcement the EU has established trade deals with new markets bigger than the UK. It will not be too hard for BMW, Mercedes, etc. to make up and exceed the value of their exports to the UK.

And your ignorance is showing. The car maker doesn't pay the tariff. The car buyer pays.

Is this the legendary economic literacy we're told the Remainers are possessed of? Who pays the tariff is incidental. What actually matters is that demand is dampened and the overall price recalibrates.

The only scenario under which a tariff can be passed on exclusively to the customer is where demand is already outstripping supply.

maddening · 28/08/2019 15:14

Suspendeding democracy is a dark path Imo, kind of thing that could lead to us losing a lot of freedoms under absolute power.

Wehttam · 28/08/2019 15:15

I’m going to the supermarket to start prepping tonight!!!!! This was the wake up call I needed.

ButterflyAles · 28/08/2019 15:19

So lets say this happened, no deal because of parliament unable to debate it. What about after that. The government wants to bring through another unpopular policy, let's say sell off the NHS for example. Shut parliament to force it through. And so on. It's a very dangerous thing. I would have thought that's obvious.

Absolutely this. What if Johnson doesn't call another's Queen's Speech? What is stopping him keeping Parliament prorogued in perpetuity?

timshelthechoice · 28/08/2019 15:23

Well, here we go then.

ravenmum · 28/08/2019 15:43

Next step vote of no confidence?

Feeling glad I got my EU passport before my trip to the UK next week. I wonder how the post office will do if my relatives want me to send them stuff...

As I understand it, even if there were riots, basically there are still more people backing some sort of exit than there are remainers?

Putapeonyinyourpocket · 28/08/2019 15:43

We are leaving the EU, if we match it will be peaceful... We're British, it's not going to be a scene from football factory.
We literally need to continue as normal and support british companies, shop local.
We need to be smarter and live how our grandparents lived, not at the I needed it yesterday pace we do currently.
Yes, it is going to be bumpy at first, remember the resession but we will get there.
Look at larger countries and how they operate, we are one of the richest countries who use to be self sufficient.
It will be people panic buying which will cause chaos.

pumkinspicetime · 28/08/2019 15:48

I truly don't think people want to live like their grandparents did. No one in power has yet been honest enough to explain that is what no deal Brexit means.
People called the police when kfc ran out of chicken last year.

MamaFlintstone · 28/08/2019 15:50

Why the hell would I want to live like my grandma did when I don’t have to? If she had been given the choice she wouldn’t have chosen food rationing and having to spend far longer on housework than I have to.

HelenaDove · 28/08/2019 15:52

Years and Years is looking like more of a documentary than a drama.

AdrenalinBrush · 28/08/2019 15:52

Hmmm,

Boris taking us our of Europe on 21 Oct.
Some other Conservative numpty pro-crastinating over taking us out of Europe (Philip Hammond) and dragging it on for ever.
or
Jeremy Corbyn running the country.

The best case scenario out of the above 3 is Boris.

JC wants to partner up with the SNP, a party who want independence from the UK, to stop the UK becoming independent from Europe. Oh, the irony.

JustForThisFred · 28/08/2019 15:54

Actually a lot of Brexiteers derailed the process because it wasn't extreme enough for them

No. Because it wasn’t actually leaving!!

No one voted for the absolute fuck up Remain politicians have created. Putting a remained in charge was like putting a fox in charge of the chickens then crying when it all went wrong!

We should have left with no deal when they made it clear they were not prepared to actually negotiate.

WE should have been stronger in our position instead of cowering

Politicians have ducked this up, NOT Brexit voters.

RedToothBrush · 28/08/2019 15:55

We are leaving the EU, if we match it will be peaceful... We're British, it's not going to be a scene from football factory.

Er doesn't that conflict with this

It will be people panic buying which will cause chaos.

Because of poor management of Brexit... Anyway saying there won't be riots in the Cotswolds, needs to give some thought as to how long they think that will last at Asda if there is panic buying.

Look at larger countries and how they operate, we are one of the richest countries who use to be self sufficient.

Let me know, when WAS the last time the UK was self sufficient? We have a very long maritime history based on trade... We have been far from self sufficient for many centuries...

4cats2kids · 28/08/2019 15:57

Live like my grandparents?

My granddad risked his life fighting the Nazis so we wouldn’t end up living in a right wing dictatorship!

Now we have another on creeping back in and most of the country is too blind to see it.

peridito · 28/08/2019 15:59

if we match it will be peaceful... We're British, it's not going to be a scene from football factory yes of course ,all will be well because we're British .

There will be no disaffected people driven to less than peaceful acts by their youth /lack of understanding/poverty and unfairness .

shopping locally ,supporting British firms and living like our grandparents will make everything ok .
None of the security forces will over react and kill a vunerable news vendor while putting out a story that they were helping him while underfire from a crowd throwing bottles and stones .

No police force will pass off a major tragedy where 96 football fans died by trying to put the blame on those attending and saying they were drunk .

AsTheWorldTurns · 28/08/2019 15:59

Actually a lot of Brexiteers derailed the process because it wasn't extreme enough for them

Well, yes. Equally, a lot of Remainers did the same because they didn't want to leave the EU.

One difference: Parliament is 73% Remainer, as opposed to 48% of the electorate.

Putapeonyinyourpocket · 28/08/2019 16:00

It's all this speculation that causes chaos and induces panic buying.

MamaFlintstone · 28/08/2019 16:01

Or I could live like my other grandparents by dying young in an industrial accident because health and safety wasn’t seen as a legitimate concern, or being the surviving spouse bringing up three small children without the safety net of the welfare state or any employment protections. My nan would be fucking livid if she knew people were blindly voting to trash so much of what makes my life better than hers was.

Xenia · 28/08/2019 16:03

I voted remain. We have to leave. The people voted to leave. MPs have been trying to stop that - they are the ones acting unconstitutionally.

Parliament often doesn't sit including during party conference season and this session of parlament is already the longest ever so this is no big deal.

If people think it breaches the law they can apply for an emergency injuction through the courts.

What is clear is people voted to leave and 90% of MP were voted in on a leave ticket so it is a very hard argument to run that to remain is somehow the people's choice surely?

peridito · 28/08/2019 16:03

Of course if we lived like our grandparents we would be unaware of much that was happening and what others thought and there would much less "speculation " .

4cats2kids · 28/08/2019 16:04

The queen has just proven she and the rest of the monarchy are a complete waste of oxygen.

If she can’t stand for her own people when they face oppression in the form of food and medicine shortages from a dictator who has just grabbed power then she is worth nothing.

bellinisurge · 28/08/2019 16:04

Panicking is what people do when they have been ignoring it for months. Luckily there are plenty of sensible voices on here that have been talking about getting a buffer of food in for MONTHS.
And idiots have popped onto those threads now and again calling them scaremongers.
I have no need to go to the shops for ages. I have been in that position for ages too.
I'm not panicking. The supply chain is still operational.
It is panicking eejits who have had their heads in the sand that cause problems.

Cinammoncake · 28/08/2019 16:05

48 percent of the electorate didn't vote to leave. it was about 34 percent of the electorate.

So we had one vote in 2016, based on lies, and that's a mandate for a no deal Brexit? If the government was so sure this was 'what the people wanted' then why not ask them.

Shutting down parliament smacks of desperation. Extreme right wing Tory policy which wouldn't be passed any other way. There is no good intent. Why do people think otherwise.