To think suspending parliament is something we should all be worried about

[Cinammoncake]

Closing down democracy in the name of democracy. Did people really vote for a far right dictatorship in the referendum? Surely nobody is okay with this?

I thought that and then made the mistake of looking at the daily mail comments section.
The world has really gone mad!!
Not sure what can be done now though

You are not being unreasonable.

This is both appalling and terrifying.

Can Her Maj tell him to swivel? Is she allowed to?

She looks like she might want to in those pics.

I am definitely not ok with this. I think we should all be worried OP.

The voices that shout loudest about "democracy", are the ones now loudly cheering that democracy is being subverted.

As a disabled person I genuinely fear for what comes next. We're regularly made scapegoats and generally treated like shit by this government, and it's only going to get worse. And that goes for all minority groups.

You are definitely not being unreasonable. Its shady AF.

i don't understand it,can someone explain in laymans terms please.

I thought it was standard procedure to suspend Parliament before the Queen's speech?

@Samcro the new government is planning to ask the Queen to close down Parliament until 14th October. That means that no debating can take place about Brexit or anything else until then, which isn't nearly enough time to do anything. Effectively, it would mean that a No Deal Brexit is forced through without anyone having the ability to challenge the decision. It is a complete breakdown of democracy.

It is standard procedure. But don’t let that get in the way of the whipping up a good frenzied mob.

One of the most eye opening things about politics in recent years is how close minded people can be, no matter what their political leaning.

This is an absolutely appalling move on behalf of 'the Government'.

There needs to be a vote of no confidence. This is nothing to do with starting a new session of parliament, it's a way of making sure there is a five week gap with no parliament giving little time to oppose No Deal.

It's win/win for them

Either Brexit goes through (no deal, unless EU blinks) or it's a 'people v parliament' general election.

They're counting on the majority vote in both the referendum and the last GE (which was for 'Leave' parties, as Labour was then) to carry the day. The strength of opinion behind that world view is often minimised and mocked on MN. That does not mean it does not exist in RL

(MN has been a brilliant bellwether for all election results in recent years - loudest opinion here is losing side)

Purplequalitystreet thanks

It's standard procedure for a Queens speech under normal circumstances - NOT standard when we are about to crash out if the EU! If you can't see that this is Johnson subverting a normal procedure for antidemocratic ends then you are being dim

"There needs to be a vote of no confidence."

Which will ear the dissolution of Parliament, for the required minimum nomination and campaigning time. Congratulations - you've just suspended Parliament for the same duration and on the same timing as the government currently proposes.

That was in reply to ArabellaDoreenFig

I thought it was standard procedure to suspend Parliament before the Queen's speech?

I think that yes, for a few days. Five weeks to deliberately stop any counter measures makes me feel uncomfortable. But it has been done before (I think Major did it during cash for questions issue) so it must be legal.

I'd be interested if the Queen were to block it though. That would definitely turn up the heat on this. I hope she does (but she won't).

It is standard procedure.

It is absolutely not a standard procedure when it is weeks before the most significant political/economic event in decades and it is being done deliberately to make parliament unable to challenge the Prime Minister's decision-making. Unilateral decision-taking on this scale not agreed at Parliamentary level is tantamount to dictatorship.

It is standard procedure. But don’t let that get in the way of the whipping up a good frenzied mob

Never for this long and never when there is a crisis such as what we're going through with Brexit. Proroguing is normally before a GE. Let's hope there's a no confidence vote and a GE.

No whipping up here. We are hardly on our own with the outrage about this move are we?

I find it interesting rather than worrying. Everyone has known the deadline agreed with the EU so I wonder what the politicians expected to happen. They should have had the foresight to work together earlier, to propose amendments, establish coalitions and/or working groups rather than be obstructive then complain that standard procedures are obstructing them.
It's nothing like a dictatorship. I find that hyperbole insulting to people who live and have lived under one. This is deliberate incompetency on so many levels and by so many people.

It is absolutely not a standard procedure when it is weeks before the most significant political/economic event in decades and it is being done deliberately to make parliament unable to challenge the Prime Minister's decision-making

Agree. And a PM who was voted in by less than 100K people from the Conservative party. Not elected by the people.

Horrifying.

"It is standard procedure."

How nice it must be to be so naive.

@Rousette

There maybe outrage on here. However there is more outrage in the country for Parliament that has manage to subvert the entire process so far.

Whether the mums net collective agrees or not, there are people out there who want Brexit. Whether you agree with their reasons or not, whether they are illogical or racist or whatever, it is what they want. They also have the right to want what they want. And frankly, the way the remainers have ridiculed many of the brexit arguments, insulted the voters and generally acted lack a pack of wolves has only strengthened their resolves in most cases.

It has also made some remainers flip to brexit out of horror of what parliament are managing to do.

I was on the fence, can can see both sides of the argument, however the behaviour of parliament has probably made me become a brexitier.

If the remainers had accepted they lost, and tried to get the best brexit they could, the WA would have been passed before now without the ERG or even despite them.

I am appalled. Just that.