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AIBU?

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To want to want to know the NMC investigation stages

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Sunshineglitterandbubbles · 24/08/2019 07:35

AIBU to wish the NMC website contained more information than it does.

Unfortunately I had to report a nurse to the NMC. The NMC asked for evidence 5 weeks ago, I supplied this. Then they arranged an appointment with one of their doctors, this is scheduled for 2 weeks time. Yesterday they sent a consent for to access all my medical records.

Last night I realised I have an appointment and that nurse will probably me there.

Do you think at this stage the NMC might have told them an allegation has been made?

I know it is probably a bit unreasonable to expect a website to explain everything

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TheRealShatParp · 25/08/2019 19:53

OP, you sound like a pain in the arse.

HappyHammy · 25/08/2019 19:56

Being Charged with harrassment would be on your records somewhere, if you weren't then it would be easy to

SleepyKat · 25/08/2019 20:04

Why would your employer take the word of medical records about a harrassment charge? A dbs check would show it’s untrue, did they not do one?

pottedshrimps · 25/08/2019 20:08

Employers don't go raking through people's medical records anyway. This information is very carefully stored and only brief details given on a need to know basis.

An enhanced DBS check would be enough to prove your innocence and demonstrate no such thing had taken place.

HappyHammy · 25/08/2019 20:18

I dont know what the nmc do but I cant understand why you cannot go back to work, how did your employers even know what was written in your notes, were you reported for harrassment which then got investigated.

Rosebud21 · 25/08/2019 20:22

& yes the nurse will be informed, she has a right to know

Passthecherrycoke · 25/08/2019 20:27

If the trust haven’t implemented the ICOs decision then surely you go back to them to get it enforced?

Why would your employer need to do a 2 year fit to. practise investigation because your medical records say you were charged with harassment? Why did they even see your medical records?

pottedshrimps · 25/08/2019 20:39

There's a massive backstory here isn't there op? Why post such a pointless thread?

juicey09 · 25/08/2019 20:48

Did you go through PALS at all? I had a problem and went through them and found them extremely helpful.

It all does sound confusing. Can you explain why she might have thought you had been charged with harassment, it's an odd thing for her to have thought up out of nowhere.

CherryPavlova · 25/08/2019 20:50

You have a right to refer to Fitness to Practice panel.

The NMC then consider whether there is sufficient information or concern to go to a hearing. Most don’t. It sounds like this is the stage you’re concerns are at. The case manager wants to clarify certain details and determine the evidence base. It had to be more than hearsay or opinion to go forwards to panel.
The registrant will see the referral letter or transcript. They will know who has raised concerns. They will also be told if conditions are placed on practice whilst awaiting a hearing.They won’t meet with the complainant before a full hearing.
It takes about two years to get to hearing stage. The hearing itself is quite a tough thing for all concerned. Witnesses can be cross examined by some very tenacious barristers.
The panel then consider some the evidence and decide whether action is necessary and if so, what.
The nurse can also use hearing evidence to bring civil charges against the complainant, if it is apparent their is vindictive intent.

Whilst it’s obvious how stressful and career changing the process is for nurses, I would urge you to take advice on how stressful the process will be for you. You need to consider what outcome you want and take advice on whether this is likely to be the result. I cannot overstate how stressful it is for members of the public.

There is quite a lot of muddy waters in your posts. You need to be clearer and ensure there is documentation to support your claims, so that you do not find yourself facing civil action yourself.

The ICO will not have said their is falsification of records; their role is about data protection and breaches of GDPR.
If you are unhappy with the trust response, the usual recourse is to escalate to the PHSO office.

AlexaAmbidextra · 25/08/2019 21:02

You have been through the process and are absolutely right to escalate to get your records amended.

How do think reporting the nurse to the NMC will get the patient’s records amended?

CherryPavlova · 25/08/2019 21:05

The NMC cannot direct the amendment of medical records.

HappyHammy · 25/08/2019 21:33

I am confused about the harrassment claim, were you accused of harrassment which your Trust had to investigate but not charged? What grounds did they have to suspend you? it's quite difficult to follow what actually happened.

Darkstar4855 · 25/08/2019 21:43

I have read the whole thread and am still completely confused about what has happened and what you are hoping to get out of the NMC referral. The NMC won’t be able to do anything about your medical records.

SouthWestmom · 25/08/2019 22:00

It's really clear, I don't understand pp confusion unless just being defensive of their profession.

Op has inaccurate records due to a mistake by a nurse who refuses to correct them despite an internal investigation qnd involvement with the ICO.

Op has a harassment charge recorded in her notes which op says is not correct and untrue.

TitianaTitsling · 25/08/2019 22:06

My confusion is how OPs employer would be updated about her medical records, and how if this was not true why it wasn't seen an false as there was no evidence!

Schuyler · 25/08/2019 22:40

It’s going to be difficult to give advice as it sounds like there’s a huge back story. I am not saying you should share it on here but the complexity of everything means the advice you’ll receive on here may not be as helpful as it otherwise would.

bakebeans · 25/08/2019 23:30

So how is the allergy the nurses fault? Were you unconscious and unable to verbally consent to have it when this drug was given?
When anyone prescribes any drug, the question of allergies is asked and side effects should be explained. They cannot force you to have it if you say no?
If someone was telling me to take a drug I knew Full well I was allergic to I would be saying no there especially if I knew that it would cause me to have anaphylactic reaction.

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Sunshineglitterandbubbles · 26/08/2019 05:37

I was confussed and disorientated. I was not aware of the drug I was given and not physically able to refuse it.

Being ill sometimes results in occupational health referrals. My doctor wrote to occupational health explaining my condition and telling them about the harassment thing. (That I clearly did not do)

That led to my fittness to practise investigation were I had to prove everything and get lots of evidence. They did not accept a simple enhanced DBS check.

GDPR does cover correcting medical records. Medical records are personal data..Everyone has the right to have their data rectified. After the trust refused to rectify the data I got the ICO involved.

It took the ICO upholding my complaint and confirming that the Trust has to correct my records before my fittness to practise investigation ended.

I did say on an earlier post that the ICO told the Trust to sort out the errors. The ICO didnt say the nurse has to do it...her employers passed all.the responsibility onto her.

The NMC cant sort out medical records...but this is about the nurses behaviour.
She kept bad records, made things up, was racist, and finally refused to do as her employer asked. You might be ok with a nurse who behaves like that, but I don't think its right.

If you read the original post my question is..what are the stages of an NMC investigation.

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greentheme23 · 26/08/2019 07:26

So you are a nurse? You mentioned your own fitness to practice.Agree that there is a great deal more to this that you are telling us. I think you need to appear more coherent if you are going to give evidence against a nurse at the NMC. Sorry but you really are not appearing very consistent here.

TitianaTitsling · 26/08/2019 07:37

Do you work with/have had other dealings with this nurse previously? As pp have said is there a back story?

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Sunshineglitterandbubbles · 26/08/2019 08:03

I think the NMC is used to acomodating the needs of patients at hearings. Not everyone who recieves bad care is going to be an excellent coherent wittness.

No back story.
First appointment at this trust after moving to a new area..nurse writes lots of incorrect stuff in the first entry in my notes.
Every other staff member uses that info..bad things happen.
Then I asked PALS for help..then eventually complained.

Due to the amount of incorrect things she put in a single entry..I think she was either dealing with 2 sets patient notes at once..or something.

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greentheme23 · 26/08/2019 08:54

Why did you mention your fitness to practice? Are you a nurse too?

CherryPavlova · 26/08/2019 09:00

Are you a registrant with the NMC? There is confusing stuff here.
Your fitness to practice what has been affected? You can’t usually be referred to occupational health without consent and occupational health need consent to seek access to your medical records. A doctor can’t just write to occupational health; that would be for your line manager to do if a doctor raised concerns about you. I think you still sound a bit confused, to be honest. Do you have any legal advice?

Very few patients get to attend NMC hearings. They do accommodate their needs, of course, but that doesn’t stop a tenacious barrister being very challenging in questioning. Their role is defend their client (the nurse) and will usually move heaven and earth to do so. They do not have any responsibility towards the witness excepting professional behaviour. If you are not very clear and coherent in your evidence presentation to the case manager doing the initial investigation, it won’t even get to a hearing.

What outcome are you after? It doesn’t sound like the NMC is the way to achieve this.

bakebeans · 26/08/2019 09:00

I’m sorry but I’m confused? From what you are saying it sounds this was done at the Gp practice or at an appointment so if you were confused and disoriented how was it able to be prescribed and then how did u then manage to go to the pharmacy and collect it and then take it?

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