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AIBU to find this " Best Gag of the Edinburgh Festival in poor taste?

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speakout · 19/08/2019 21:04

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-49389208

I have seen and read this "joke " repeated several times on TV in the past few days and find it in very poor taste. Newsreaders on TV have been chuckling. Tourette's can be a serious and debilatating condition and sufferers have huge challenges in everyday life. Surely we are a bit more grown up these days than to poke fun at people with a neurological condition?
Is is just me being stuffy?

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DGRossetti · 22/08/2019 12:19

Ah, but there'd have been no complaints at all if he'd never told the joke in the first place!

Well his audience might have got a bit restless after the first few minutes of silence ...

TheYeaSayer · 22/08/2019 12:20

I presume his set consisted of more than one joke!

DGRossetti · 22/08/2019 12:27

I presume his set consisted of more than one joke!

Well yes, but maybe they could all have offended someone ?

Probably best say nothing.

(It's hard to comment on this thread without remembering the "Spitting Image" sketch about Mary Whitehouse complaining about filth on TV and outlining her perfect evenings viewing .....)

NotAnActualSheep · 22/08/2019 13:03

I don't think people are saying that Mr Falafel shouldn't have told the joke. As I said earlier in the thread, I saw his show, and it definitely didn't stick out as one of the better ones in his repertoire (didn't remember it at all, in fact...). However, it also didn't stick out as a bad/ poor taste joke in the context of the show. It was one of a series of vegetable (and fruit)-based puns. The show was called "one giant leek for mankind" - so a combination of vegetables (especially the fart-inducing properties of the allium family) and the moon landings - obviously. It was a children's show.... I was more offended by a member of the audience shouting out a synonym for fart, as requested, of "a burping spider"...

Though I admit, I'm not in the target market for being offended/ saddened or whatever, not having direct experience of Tourettes, and not knowing that the "shouting out random words" aspect isn't typical of the condition. So I've learnt something....

However, someone from Dave decided that it was worthy of going on a shortlist for some reason. I'm not sure how the jokes were chosen - whether put forward by the comedians themselves, or selected by "mystery punters" at the shows or something? And from that shortlist, 2000 Dave-watchers (or whatever) decided that it was the best - outside the context of the show, and presumably not considering the implications. So I think the blame for the selected joke being in either poor taste or offensive (or indeed, not a very good stand-alone joke) lies solely with the good burghers of Dave. I agree it probably wasn't a good idea for the shortlist to include something with the potential to cause upset to vulnerable people. Given there are A LOT OF JOKES around at the moment, why choose that one for the Dave-watchers to select? And i can see that it being promoted as the best one from the entire Edinburgh Festival doesn't give a particularly good name to the festival - for a variety of reasons. But, hey, maybe Dave wanted to get people talking about it, and discussing the nature of comedy, and the nature of offense and so on (no auto-correct, I don't mean offence). Or, more probably, they didn't think at all and just reported the findings of their (self-selecting?) voters.

In any case, I don't think the format of a 2-line "joke" necessarily sums up what is funny from the festival anyway. Things I've laughed at most this year have been much more convoluted stories without a punchline as such, improvised stuff, cleverly crafted comedy songs and someone in an inflatable dinosaur outfit trying to get down some stairs. But that can't really be summed up as a headline-grabbing "this is the funniest thing at the festival this year..."

TheYeaSayer · 22/08/2019 13:06

NotAnActualSheep

Good post 👍

JoySuckClub · 22/08/2019 17:57

Excellent post sheep
Have you seen any adult shows or theatre this year? What did you like the best? Am Envy I love the Fringe.

NotAnActualSheep · 22/08/2019 19:33

Thanks yea and joy. No, sadly not seen anything adult this year. Not managed to sort out babysitting which we usually do a couple of times to see evening things, but DH and I seem to be tag teaming with being away with work! I miss the days of late n live and any comedy not involving slime and farting... Having said that, I refuse to see anything that I think will be too awful with DS, so have really enjoyed what I have seen (Noise Next Door and Showstoppers for a bit of improvisation, Comedy Club 4 Kids for your 3 comedian and a compere kind of stuff, a comedy-circus kind of thing etc etc) which isn't always a given! And had a few random wanders down the Royal Mile watching the street entertainers and trying not to get flyered... Its good fun...

Pumperthepumper · 22/08/2019 20:29

It’s a shit joke, and I agree it’s in poor taste to give it the award. Tourettes has always been seen as such an easy target, I can imagine it’s absolutely draining to have to listen to junk like this.

Has the joke of the fringe ever been won by a woman? I had a quick look down the names and I don’t think it has. Happy to be proved wrong though.

JoySuckClub · 22/08/2019 23:49

2008 - Zoe Lyons won - to be clear Amy was still alive at this point:

I can’t believe Amy Winehouse self-harms. She’s so irritating she must be able to find someone to do it for her

JoySuckClub · 22/08/2019 23:51

Her one-liner was considered controversial by some, but the comedian didn’t seem to bothered by it. ‘I’m absolutely delighted to have won the award,’ she said in 2008. ‘I know self-harming is not funny but it’s just a joke, so I’m not going to beat myself up about it!’

source: metro

DGRossetti · 23/08/2019 09:56

Grin at Zoe Lyons (especially the rejoinder ...)

There can be a Streisland effect when discussing offense ...

DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime · 23/08/2019 17:26

The real problem is that Tourette’s never gets any good press, and the neuropathology behind it is never explained to the public. It’s just voyeurism on TV with people ticcing uncontrollably. The tics are just seen as weird behaviour - that the sufferer appears to be choosing to engage in.

The joke is a mildly amusing play on words. But it continues the stereo typical picture of Tourette’s - it is a poor show it was ever considered for the award.

Pretty much no one sympathises about Tourette’s. We’ve lived with it for twelve years and I can count on one hand how often people have asked about the children or how I’m coping.

If we can actually get people to recognise the suffering in Tourette’s and that that suffering is often borne by children then we can all laugh at the joke.

Because then we’ll know it’s a joke, and not adults bullying children by inadvertently continuing a stereotype and laughing at their illness.

I just wish you would all give over. If you don’t have experience of Tourette’s you’re maybe never going to understand the issue.

My son was turned down for music lessons by a local teacher in case other pupils/ parents were offended by his Tourette’s - because of the stereotype. I never got a chance to explain his condition.

However if there’s a chronic illness in your family - that really adversely affects someone’s life - maybe you can imagine comedians making fun of that on a worldwide stage - and maybe you can have some inkling of the problem.

speakout · 23/08/2019 18:36

DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime thank you for speaking so bravely. You have explained the issue so well, using your personal family struggles as an example.
You speak so clearly and from the heart, I agree with all you say.
I have no personal experience of those with Tourette's , but my fair share of those I love with MH challenges, physical illness.
I was a child in the 1960s. We watched the Black and White Minstrel show, adults joked about spastics, and many derogatory racist and homophobic ideas.
I am thankful that things have changed.
That human dignity is recognised, no matter our differences or challenges.
Only a century or two ago people would be locked in stocks so the public could throw rotten fuit at their faces. It was hilarious- apparently.

In Victorian times the Bedlam psychatric hospital would be opened for entertainment so the rich could spend a hilarious afternoon rattling the cages .
It was entertaining.

I want to live in a society where individuals are valued, where challenges are met with support, not ridicule.

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DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime · 23/08/2019 18:58

Thank you.
I am fully aware that if my teenagers were born in those times they would be locked away and ridiculed. There wouldn’t have been the medicines that there are now and nobody would have understood.

Thank goodness for those that do understand.

I’m happy to see the humour in Tourette’s- but only if people understand how difficult it really is.

speakout · 23/08/2019 19:10

DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime

I so welcome your contribution to this thread- because you are at the sharp end here.
I actually can;t claim to understand your personal and family struggles, because I know so little about Tourette's and the specific impact it has on individuals and families.
We all have struggles, some more than others, but I do know that if we try to live a life of compassion and respect for all individuals then that is a good thing.
Your children are lucky to have a parent who can speak up and speak out for them.
Their lives are as worthy as any other. They deserve a life which respects them, understands their challenges and gives them support they need to live a fruitful and happy life.

Cheap jibes and ridicule have no place in this.

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DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime · 23/08/2019 19:20

Thank you.

worriedaboutmygirl · 23/08/2019 21:57

@DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime I just wanted to let you that I hear you. I’ve had some opportunity to learn about the complexity of Tourette’s. We’ve had comparable experiences with a different condition. I hear how hard this is and I respect everything you say about jokes. Wishing you and your family well.

DearGoodnessIsThatTheTime · 24/08/2019 10:07

Thank you to you too 😊. Best wishes to you and your family too. X

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