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To wonder why bullfighting still happens

28 replies

Heating134 · 15/08/2019 09:40

I find it so upsetting and from what I read it’s back in Majorca now. Before anyone says this, I am not singling out Spain- I know cruelty happens probably in every country, including the uk. I just find bullfighting particularly upsetting. Such a beautiful creature being stabbed to death in front of cheering crowds. I don’t travel to any countries where this happens and have signed petitions which can be found eg on Twitter
I seriously don’t understand why people would go and watch this. It’s so upsetting. Don’t understand the bull run either where beautiful creatures are tormented then killed.
Just don’t understand why bullfighting still goes on and some people still go to ‘fights’

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Heating134 · 15/08/2019 09:44

( Was prompted to write this today after seeing picture on Twitter of a bull being set on fire before being ‘ fought’ which seems to happen as well)
So heartbreaking

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bobstersmum · 15/08/2019 09:48

I must be very naive but I am shocked that it still involves an animal being killed in front of a crowd!

Heating134 · 15/08/2019 09:59

Hi bobstersmum- yes - have a look at Twitter and you’ll see what happens. It’s extremely upsetting

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DeepDarkWoods · 15/08/2019 10:14

I dont understand how this can still happen today. How can people enjoy watching and taking part in an animal be tortured to death?

Teddybear45 · 15/08/2019 10:19

Rather than slaughter bulls like the British meat industry does (or abandon them like the Indian dairy industry does), Spanish farmers in Southern Spain use them in bullfights. It is no more or less right than other aspects of the meat industry.

Heating134 · 15/08/2019 10:22

It’s the fact that they are tormented then tortured to death though. And from what I read, starved and tired before the bull run where the streets are slippy and they have no chance - before being tortured further and killed

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ShippingNews · 15/08/2019 10:24

Rather than slaughter bulls like the British meat industry does

At least a death in an abattoir is quick - bull fights last about 20 minutes and the bull is tortured . Not a good comparison.

Branleuse · 15/08/2019 10:24

Spain arent exactly renowned for their sensitive and kind treatment of animals tbh.
The burning bull festival is particularly abhorrent, where they blindfold a bull, put flammable pads on its horns, set fire to it and then they get to watch it flailing around the village on fire, burning alive until it dies of burning or fear.

Catalonia wanted to ban bullfighting but Madrid wouldn't let them as apparently central to spanish culture.

NotSayingAWorld · 15/08/2019 10:43

It is changing. Newer generations (us) don't have interest on bullfighting (most of us) and are against animal cruelty.

This is how I see it- Spain does not take newer generations seriously. We have been seriously affected by the 2008 crisis. Several of us still studying, living with parents, or looking for jobs at their 30s- it's not uncommon for an extra skilled person to be working in retail or in a bar. There's just very little demand often offered to a close family member rather than the right candidate.
Millenials, those most likely to be ready to fight against bullfighting, are the laughing stock of Spain.

Moreover, just 30+ years ago, bullfighting was one of the biggest gathering events. It was THE OCASSION. My grandma could not dream for a more perfect date than 'bulls and tapas'.
Spain still a very traditional country, and generations that see bulls as a social event still rule the country.

However, bulls are not starved at any point- they want bulls to be as strong and wild as possible to put on a show.
When people run, they are fully aware they can loose their lives or get badly injured.

It's hard changing a tradition that has brought "so many good memories" to some. But it's slowly happening.

verticality · 15/08/2019 10:47

I'm with you OP - it's just barbaric and awful. Mind you, we have some pretty damaging customs ourselves: grouse shooting, greyhound racing and illegal forms of hunting, baiting and animal fighting. So I'm not saying that with any sense of cultural superiority.

lisbonholiday · 15/08/2019 10:49

Same reason people enjoy Fox Hunting here in the UK.

FWIW it's illegal in Catalunya, most of the old bull rings are now shopping centres!

Heating134 · 15/08/2019 10:50

NotsayingaWorld- Thanks- that’s very interesting
To be honest I don’t think it’s changing so much as it was news the other day that Majorca are now bringing back bullfighting after a previous ban!
Also, I have read several times that the bulls are starved for days before the bull run then suddenly fed loads. They are also deprived of water and I saw pictures online this year of a poor bull drinking water from the ground that people had thrown at it to torment it

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lisbonholiday · 15/08/2019 10:51

@Branleuse check your facts - it is banned in Catalunya

@NotSayingAWorld agree with you until you said this:
Millenials, those most likely to be ready to fight against bullfighting, are the laughing stock of Spain
Not true at all, from my knowledge, young people have a lot of sympathy from the older generation (who aren't doing that great either...), and it's widely acknowledges how ell educated and well travelled the Spanish youth are. It's very regional though.

Whosorrynow · 15/08/2019 10:53

The bull and matador are iconic and central to masculine identity/ machismo, but yeah I find it primitive barbaric anachronistic etc, very out of step with the modern world, I wonder how much longer it can continue?

FrothyB · 15/08/2019 10:55

It's a part of human nature that will be very difficult to ever get rid of. I think there's something instinctual, deep down inside all of us, that is capable of or enjoys seeing brutality or cruelty. We're more than capable of doing it to each other if the right conditions are met, look at the Yugoslav war, or other conflicts going on in the world right now.

Compound that ability, with alot of the world seeing animals as entirely "lesser" and therefore not worthy of moral consideration.

I know in central and eastern Europe, particularly in the rural areas, but I've seen it in towns and cities also, dogs are not seen as part of the family, or even pets, they are tools. They live their entire lives outside, they are shown very little affection or interacted with, I know some who spend their entire lives on 10' chains staked into the ground, just there to alert the household if someone comes onto their property. As an English person, this really offended and angered me, but it's the way life is. I know people in turn, who are very uncomfortable with the fact our dog lives inside, is allowed on the sofa, and is allowed to run around freely, as the concept of it is so strange.

I've seen footage from a Chinese fishing market, where a whale shark is being cut up and sold from the tail upwards, whilst it's still alive.

This isn't to say that everyone from culture x,y or z is like that, or that everyone from Britain loves and cares for animals, simply that different places have different culturally acceptable standards.

We won't be able to simply legislate this thinking away, particularly in places where people's lives are a day to to day struggle.

NotSayingAWorld · 15/08/2019 10:55

Wow- Wait and see.

Your baby will also talk non stop and ask everything and there's times you just really need to get somewhere .

Just an advice- Be understanding of other mums. You will 10000% go through the same

NotSayingAWorld · 15/08/2019 10:56

Sorry I was meant to post this somewhere else

PinkCrayon · 15/08/2019 10:56

Its disgusting. Some humans are so screwed up to enjoy doing that to animals.
I think the same for killing animals to eat though too. How frightened they are hearing the other animals screaming and crying before they die knowing they are next.
Awful.

Whosorrynow · 15/08/2019 11:11

Human nature is not so set in stone, we can be more compassionate than we are

WoopWoopitsthesoundofdaminties · 15/08/2019 11:11

Because people. Whatever the shit is, from animal cruelty to environmental concerns to wars to torture, there will be people behind it.

As a species, we really suck Sad

campion · 15/08/2019 11:11

It's the nearest thing to a public execution. Thousands of baying spectators, hapless victim,careful choreography and a guaranteed death. Throw in a bit of colour and lots of noise. The veneer of humans as civilised and compassionate can soon slip.

I'm dismayed that it still goes on in the South of France too.

Branleuse · 15/08/2019 11:30

Yeah i was really shocked to see a bullring in beziers

ginghamstarfish · 15/08/2019 11:38

Yes, it's vile, not sure how it is still able to happen. Foxhunting, while also horrible, is not quite in the same league of public spectacle, and at least the fox is considered a pest by farmers etc. It's the brazen spectacle of bullfighting, the deliberate tormenting of the poor beast that is so appalling.

lisbonholiday · 15/08/2019 11:40

It's a real minority of Spanish people that actually like it btw. Most people find it abhorrent as the Brits do. The big arenas are often full of tourists, so I'm reluctant to blame the Spanish!

Sometimes the matadors die or get very injured and people seem to celebrate that, the memes/jokes are endless. Bit strange but there's a bit of a 'he had it coming' attitude.

Heating134 · 15/08/2019 11:52

lisbonholiday- I don’t understand why bullrings are still packed.
I can understand the ‘he had it coming’ as the person is choosing to torture and stab a beautiful creature to death

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