WIBU to insist on this pram?

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I really, really want a Bugaboo Fox. In the reviews it ticks all the boxes for me: sturdy, lightweight, all-terrain, great storage and obviously pretty damn gorgeous!!

BUT DH doesn't think we should spend a grand on something we'll only use for about three years and wants us to get something second hand. He doesn't understand that there are literally billions of types out there, and some of the cheaper brands are cheap for a reason!

Also he won't ever be pushing the damn thing - I don't drive, and will be doing A LOT of walking with it. We live in a hilly town with some rural areas, so just buying something at random from the Argos catalogue isn't going to cut it. It needs to be light, easily folded, have good storage and be able to tackle mud, uneven ground, hills and busy streets.

WIBU to just buy the Fox regardless? We're not rich by any means, but we're not poor either, we can afford it. Plus I expect my parents will want to cover half the cost. Or should I compromise and get something cheaper like the baby jogger city mini? I don't like that it's forward facing only, but it's another all-terrain and my husband is more likely to agree on that one...

I got my bugaboo 2nd hand and just bought new fabrics for my baby .. that's a possibility .
Still get the pram you want but cheaper.

@WelshMammaofaSlovak
you've all got cars? We love our sling and use it a lot but there's no way we could do a family day out or a trip to the shops with a sling and without a car you have to schlep a lot of stuff around that also needs to be carried so they are best kept for shorter trips.

I don't have a car or even a driving licence, live in a city where I have no need, and always use a sling/carrier. For going to the shops, an "old lady"-style shopping trolley is easy to pull along and fits much more shopping than the basket of a buggy. For days out I have a small rucksack that takes a folding changing mat, change of clothes, bottle of water, snacks, sunglasses, brolly, muslin and a couple little toys. And it's so much easier getting public transport.

I wouldn't put anything on a public toilet floor, neither would I put just a changing mat outside on a day like today when it's pouring with rain.

I wouldn't recommend a buggy to change a nappy, but in some situations, it's the easiest way. I have never had to try, but I imagine if you are stuck on a bus or on a train, it's probably the least inconvenient place to change a nappy - no one wants to have to do it, but what's the choice? You can't leave a baby with a dirty nappy for too long.

I even took my buggy out on the motorways rest areas, how else would you use the toilets for yourself?

@SeriouslyEnoughAlreadyRantOver I use the loo with them in the sling, even did the urine sample when pregnant with dc2 with dc1 in the sling don't have to use the disabled, leave them outside the door or hold them with one hand. I also put changing mat on the floor and haven't seen anyone change a nappy in a pushchair. Do you use a mat inside the pushchair?

wikowiko
but where do you put the baby if you stop for the toilets, if you stop for a coffee or a meal?

Where do you put the baby when you try clothes on, or shoes on?

I have had to use a rucksack since my youngest really outgrown her buggy, but I miss it!

GummyGoddess

of course, I used to put the blanket, my jumper or jacket, then the mat, in case of spillage (which thankfully never happened, but you never know, especially with boys).
I can't say I made a habit of it, but a few times it was a life saver.

Have you tried the Bugaboo Buffalo? It’s is a great pram and doesn’t look much different to the Fox (all terrain etc..) but it’s just an older model so you’ll be able to get a second hand one...I would look at a second hand one in very good condition...I suppose it also depends how many children you’re planning on having - if 3+ it’s definitely worth the investment if you can afford it!

Just to say we have city mini gt, and go for long walks with the dog most days, all weather, over grass, gravel paths, muddy forest paths... really love it. It's only forward facing, but by the time my DD was out of the carry cot (about 6 months) she was more than happy to face forward and see what's going on in the world. You can still keep an eye on them through the window in the cover. Folds really easily too.

I am cringing at the thought of 1k on a pram. However, I had a breakdown in mothercare when’s pregnant with DD1 because all I could see when looking at prams was their similarities to robots and I didn’t like it 🤷🏼‍♀️ if it means that much to you and you can afford it then get it but personally I wouldn’t.

I recently sold my bugaboo buffalo that was in near perfect condition having been used for approx 6 months for £300 and I struggled to get that for it. I sold it because I prefer using my city mini gt for everything from dog walks to town trips.

why cringing?

Some parents are happy to spend hundreds in photo shoots, cake smash, personalised hand made 1st birthday cakes, perfect prep machines, sleepyhead (the latest totally worth it as well to be honest).

As long as you can afford it, what's wrong with buying what you need and want? It cost what it cost.

I'm always baffled by people who do everything with a sling.
Rather like those organised families on the other thread, sling parents are like another species to me.
I used a few different types but found them like being heavily pregnant again, incredibly cumbersome. I found it impossible to fasten a shoe lace, pick any dropped item up from the floor, carry a toddler etc with a baby in a sling.
I see sling Mums with gargantuan rucksacks on their back as well as couple of toddlers and think how are you doing that, what happens if you drop a tenner??

I don't know why people treat prams like fashion accessories!
A grand wtf! U could put that towards driving lessons lol what a total waste of money!
Don't try and justify the pram because there are plenty of cheaper lightweight ones out there if u want it just for the look of it go ahead but unless u have cash to throw away I think your crazy! My travel system cost less than £100 new I got it because I could fold it with one hand and it fitted into my little car boot it's brilliant and I don't care what anyone else has lol and I'm not strapped for cash money wasn't a thought

I don't try on clothes, not sure what I'd do if I had to do that to be honest.

I can put shoes on with the sling on, and if I stop for food baby goes in highchair or on my lap. I only have a little backpack for both toddlers now, they're predictable for pooping at this age

nowayhose not everyone is aloud a driving license

16 years Ago we spent high hundreds on a pram system we coveted and thought would meet all our expectations.Slightly less than 16 years ago we spent another 90 quid that did indeed fulfil all our needs, regardless of expectations. Knowing what I know now.... save the biggest investments for after the baby is born.

Expensive prams are a bit like 4x4, completely useless if you are in central Croydon, but a life saver when you are more outdoorsy.

My expensive buggy was such a dream to push, it would still have been a worthy purchase in central London to be honest

As long as you buy one adapted to your own lifestyle (car/bus/stairs/town/countryside), it's a purchase worth spending as much as you can.

I bought my bugaboo Cameleon second hand for £200 on gumtree 3 years ago. It was in near perfect condtion, black and red. Had everything with it. Loved it to begin with when ds was under 7 months but ended up buying a Maclaren stroller to go around town and for walks. The straps on it were rubbish. Found it huge and quite cumbersome. Very glad I never spent agrand on it. I would do more research op. And I would be looking for very good second hand. I would spend the extra on a lovely cotbed.

My children are teens now so I know nothing of current pram models, but I would say that you need to be the one making the decision here, as you are going to be doing literally all the pram pushing and you are not able to drive for health reasons.

I know that competitive thriftiness is a thing on mumsnet, but I'd say that the pram is one area where it's worth buying new and getting exactly what works for you (within the realms of what you can afford), especially if you plan to have more than one child. I walked pretty much everywhere when my children were little, and we had several years of daily use from our travel system.

Second-hand stuff is fine, especially for things like clothes or nursery furniture (not cot mattresses), and plenty of second hand prams are great, but if you know you are going to get a lot of heavy use from a piece of equipment it might well be more cost-effective to buy something new and tough enough once.

I don’t know a single person who used a travel system beyond the point when they go up to the next size car seat, and most people seem to ditch them by about 7 or 8 months. We certainly did. I had a Baby Jogger City Mini which was just brilliant.

Even the Bugaboo owners I know have all ended up selling them in favour of a stroller.

I love my bugaboo Fox, it's really well made and has some good design features. It is expensive but bugaboos hold their value better than other brands for some reason so you could sell it for a few hundred pounds when you're done with it.
I'm sure plenty of people saying it's too much could have bought a cheaper/second hand handbag, phone, sunglasses, trainers, car etc but didn't because they wanted the expensive one, as long as it's not getting you in debt then why not?

Your child will really not be in that pram for 3 years. You'll get a stroller, most people do. And not many 2-3 year olds like to be sitting in a pram for any length of time.

..not many 2-3 year olds like to be sitting in a pram for any length of time.

My nearly 4yo would sit in his all day if I let him.

In your situation I would get a second hand bugaboo buffalo as that is the all terrain one that preceded the Fox. I have a buffalo that I bought for dc#1 5 years ago and still really like it (it's much better than the bugaboo donkey which I've also got, it just seems glitchy).

That way you'll pay about £400 with all the accessories as well.

I get that if it's your first you want a brand new one but if you agree to second hand you can then be fussy about which one you buy, and just get a really well taken care of one in a colour you love.

I think that is a good compromise in your position, and you'll probably sell it for roughly what you paid for it.

I had the baby jogger city mini GT and loved it. I would buy it again. £380 with accessories, a bargain compared to something for £1000. I wouldn't want to spend over half a grand more on something thay does the same job. I'd rather put it to something else.
But it's personal choice.

Surely your DH will be using it sometime?! If not why are you even having a baby with him! Making a baby takes 2, so should parenting when possible.

With the baby jogger, I don't think the mini has all terrain wheels, the mini GT does.