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Bullying BIL - does he have legal rights?

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Daydreamer246 · 01/08/2019 14:46

Please be gentle...first time poster and I'm really at my wits end so I'm hoping this all makes sense!

To cut a potentially long story short(er)- we don't speak to BIL and his wife. They are incredibly self-centred, arrogant and have tried to bully me for years (icing me out, blanking me when we were all together as a family, acting like I wasn't there when I try to speak to them etc.). We have never had a proper answer as to why this started but it appears it's because I started working extra hours on weekends and they were 'offended' that I did not come along to family events very often (!!). They have been increasingly unreasonable and nasty with absolutely no regard or respect for personal boundaries. After 4 years of this behaviour myself and DH said we no longer wish to be around such a horrible, uncomfortable environment. We have never retaliated back to their ongoing nasty comments just said we do not want to be around this anymore. Our children still see BIL when they are with FIL and MIL (although DD has also always disliked being around BIL since she was very small due to his pushy behaviour).

After a lot of effort (!) we recently planned to have a day out with MIL and a few other extended family members on saturday. The same family members will be spending the whole day with BIL and his family the next day (sunday). However, MIL has reported her saturday plans back to BIL who is now enraged, saying they are going to turn up where we are on the saturday and we can't stop them from doing so. Worse still, MIL is now furious with us, saying she can't understand why we won't just accept this and we shouldn't have a problem with it. I am now feeling extremely uncomfortable with the way things are going. Especially as our children had chosen what we were doing and were really excited to have us present when they see MIL (as she usually just wants to take our children and do things without me and DH there).

I feel as though BIL is losing his mind because he has never had anyone say no to him before. I am becoming increasingly concerned about his OTT behaviour and it is making me feel uncomfortable having my children around BIL at all because they seem to be set on playing games and using our own children as a weapon against us (there is far more that has happened than I can go into on this post!). Everytime I think this situation can't get anymore ridiculous it does and I'm now worried about what is going to come next. BIL, his wife and MIL are now saying we are stopping BIL from seeing our children because we won't do exactly as they say - we haven't stopped them at all (they still see them more often than my siblings who I am on great terms with!), but I am now considering limiting his access (which I never thought I would say) due to his worryingly narcissistic behaviour.

I know this might sound a bit dramatic....but I suppose my main question is does he have any legal 'right' to our children? He is very wealthy in comparison to us and I wouldn't put it past him to go to some extreme lengths to get his own way if we pull back from him even more.

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Jellybeansincognito · 01/08/2019 16:54

Your bil sounds horrendous and your mil sounds like an enabler.
Cut the lot of them out.

Ridiculous.

diddl · 01/08/2019 17:01

MIL is an absolute shit isn't she?

BIL sees your kids, but must come to this event also??

Fuck the lot of them!

Whosorrynow · 01/08/2019 17:16

BIL does sound weird and they are all bending themselves out of shape to make out it's all fine
what are they hiding?

mussolini9 · 01/08/2019 17:34

However, MIL has reported her saturday plans back to BIL who is now enraged, saying they are going to turn up where we are on the saturday and we can't stop them from doing so

You really need to address this OP ... get DH onside & explain to MiL that you have no intention of having your day out hijacked by BiL, & as you cannot trust him not to turn up, nor her not to inform him of your plans, that you are now cancelling.

You have to insist that you will not be railroaded now, or ever again in the future.

DH must be feeling utterly overwhelmed.
He has been controlled by his batshit family & at the bottom of his family's little power dynamic for years. Now that you have started to push back against BiL, they are upping the ante, & you are going to have to stay resolute & present a united front.

Would your DH consider counselling, in order to take stock of how wrong his family dynamic is & get some coping techniques? If not, the least you can do for each other is read Lundy Bancroft - of course in your case this is about a brother/BiL rather than a partner/husband, but I guarantee you will find the book a complete eye-opener - www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000Q9J0RO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1&tag=mumsnetforu03-21

The book will also give you the insight & toolkit to continue to make a stand against your BiL's invasive & toxic behaviour. The book will help you make sense of what your DH must have endured growing up in this family, & give him techniques in managing his brother if he ever sees him again (I wouldn't!) & his awful enabling mother.

iheartroycropper · 01/08/2019 17:43

There’s no way my dc would continue to have contact with someone who I was nc with so you need to put a stop to that ASAP. They sound deranged and I would be adding mil to the nc list

Winterlife · 01/08/2019 17:52

In your shoes, I would not show up at the Saturday event. Schedule something else special for you, your husband and children.

Alternately, you can go and blank BIL and his wife.

Whosorrynow · 01/08/2019 18:08

I think the BIL see's himself as The Emperor, however you have framed/positioned him as 'that person we want nothing to do with' the role of 'shunned man' does not line up with his view of himself (he must be venerated, you should genuflect!) and so he is working to restore the situation so that it feels right to him and he is afforded the respect and status that he feels he warrants.

I'm not suggesting that he is consciously aware of all this but I think this may be what is driving his behaviour

girlywhirly · 01/08/2019 20:04

BIL and MIL sound like deeply unpleasant people, and you are right to protect your DC from them. I agree that you should cancel the Saturday and continue to distance yourselves. Do things with the DC without telling MIL what, where or when, and block anything on social media. Also when the DC are back at school warn the staff that the ILS do not have permission to pick them up if that is something they are likely to attempt.

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