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To tweet BA pilots that I earn less than the INCREASE they're demanding?

462 replies

CheapSeats · 01/08/2019 11:48

I earn 18000 a year. BA pilots are asking for an increase of 20000 a year. Yeah I know about skills and responsibility blah blah blah but AIBU to be upset that my holiday might be ruined? They're bleating in the papers today that they're upset that they now only get to stay in 4 star hotels instead of 5. Angry

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Taf90 · 02/08/2019 18:21

I agree 100%!

Tiredand · 02/08/2019 18:26

If they think they’re underpaid why don’t they go and work for another airline. Cleaners stringing yes, but BA pilots striking is like the head of British Gas striking. They are well enough paid and have a choice to work elsewhere. I suspect they don’t leave due to their generous pensions.

Backinthebox · 02/08/2019 18:44

Hi @DustyDiamond, by ‘techie’ do you mean engineer? That’s what we pilots and people who work with the aircraft mechanics and avionics call them. Engineer. Not techie.

keffie12 · 02/08/2019 18:45

My ex Son in law trained to be a pilot. It takes many years to get to flying long and even short haul. He is still on domestic inland flights after 9 years. He had his basic training, then he had to do a few years of training others under supervision at flight school.

He then moved to a small inland company flying between Yukon and Vancouver.

It will be a few more years yet before he can move onto the next stage of flying further across country between Candada and The U.S which is short haul over there. He has only just moved onto flying across country in Canada and not as captain when he moved down to Vancouver

It will be years after that before he will beable to fly long haul and be won't be in charge of the plane as in the captain. That will be years later.

Yes this is Canada however the same template will be the same all over.

They train years for it. They are not on that money from the start. They spend years working up to that status.

As well I want to know I am safe. What they are on and the training etc means they are worth their pay. Having being caught up in a terror alert in 2005 at Manchester which the pilot had to deal with half way across to Zante I know full well the pressure they must be under.

We didn't know about the alert until we got to Zante which has happened on the tarmac of where our plane had taken off from

A plane in crisis means the lives are in the hands of the pilot of 250 plus people and the the ramifications. Not a job for the faint hearted.

My only advice is try and change the airline your travelling with. I know I would be peeved however I would look for solutions

MrsBadcrumble123 · 02/08/2019 18:46

BA staff seem to strike every year and for this exact reason I will never fly BA! How dare they ruin hardworking families holidays!! Everyone probably feels that they are underpaid - I’m a vet nurse who is responsible for monitoring anaesthetics of people’s fur babies - our wages are pitiful! Would never dream of striking as the only thing it would hurt is the pets in our care!

Chakano · 02/08/2019 18:46

it's a waste of time striking and it having no impact, somebody's holiday was bound to go, they don't fly empty planes.
It doesn't matter what you earn, it has no bearing on the pilots T&C's.

DustyDiamond · 02/08/2019 18:52

Hi @DustyDiamond, by ‘techie’ do you mean engineer? That’s what we pilots and people who work with the aircraft mechanics and avionics call them. Engineer. Not techie.

Have already answered this, but yes I mean engineer
In the RAF we were called techies

Catsinthecupboard · 02/08/2019 18:52

I always wonder, when we talk of raising minimum wages, why don't we consider that minimum wage isn't supposed to be a living wage; it's entry into the work force with no experience wage?

I started at minimum, it was terrible. I learned more skills, went to school and became more valuable in the work force and made more money.

Instead of pounding on about minimum wage, (which hurts small business) lets discuss more and better opportunities in education and jobs.

And btw, anyone who says "training, blah, blah, blah" either never actually worked hard at training and/or deserves the grief given from untrained professionals, blah, blah, blah.

bondgirl76 · 02/08/2019 19:13

So whats your point??? There is always someone going to earn more than you...suck it up

MarthasGinYard · 02/08/2019 19:18

Dusty

That must have been an awesome position. I do chuckle about the difference in terminology. I used to fly with a girl about 20 years ago who was ex RAF cabin crew. When I used to ask for catering checks she would always refer to this as 'rationing'

"Yes AFT is rationed"

Grin
Lizzylu25 · 02/08/2019 19:20

Wow that’s a statement .. I know plenty and of course they get rest but have you been up since 6am and then on duty for 20 +hrs and jet lag ... they don’t sit doing nothing..
Your pilot friend must be one of the lazy ones who give pilots a bad name ...

Lifeover · 02/08/2019 19:21

Go become a pilot them. Quite frankly I want the person flying my plane to feel like they are paid fairly, and have a great nights sleep in the best environment.

Lizzylu25 · 02/08/2019 19:25

That reply was for gabsalot

GuidoTheKillerPimp · 02/08/2019 19:26

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DustyDiamond · 02/08/2019 19:27

*Dusty

That must have been an awesome position. I do chuckle about the difference in terminology.*

It was Martha - I loved it Smile
Would definitely recommend it as a career choice

There's a completely different language in the Forces - even between the 3 of them there's so many other differences 😂

NoBaggyPants · 02/08/2019 19:29

BA pilots striking is like the head of British Gas striking.

The head of Centrica got a near 50% pay rise last year, plus massive bonuses. All the pilots are asking for is RPI and a profit share scheme. They couldn't be more different.

(Ironic example given that the former has just resigned due to such poor results. Imagine the repercussions of a pilot making a monumental fuck up.)

wafflyversatile · 02/08/2019 19:32

I get where you are coming from. No human being is worth 10 times (or 10 million times) more than another. We live in a grotesquely unequal world.

Cats everyone needs to live so everyone should earn a living wage. Why would you put a business before a human being.

PeppyPiggy · 02/08/2019 19:37

You sound like an idiot. You should be thanking the people on here edifying you for free.

Decormad38 · 02/08/2019 19:40

I think there's quite a bit of difference flying a jet with 100s of people on it to driving a bus! If you are peed off with their demanded pay rise then go and be a pilot yourself. YABU!

Fowles94 · 02/08/2019 19:44

I could never match the skills of a pilot, they fly for hours on end and have to stay alert. There's not many UK jobs that earn less than I do but I wouldn't begrudge someone earning more just because I'm not qualified.

jasjas1973 · 02/08/2019 19:48

Willy Walsh - CEO IAG, earnt 7.8million euros in 2016... i feel sure he is worth every cent but its a bit rich him denying his pilots a wage rise, he could pay for it himself.

They are entitled to withdraw their labour, ofc its a PIA for the holiday maker but Walsh should remember that BA are on the decline, probs with baggage handling, power cuts and general unreliability means people are choosing other carriers.

Amanda747300 · 02/08/2019 19:52

I totally agree. Pilots and cabin crew are hugely underpaid for the responsibility they have every flight. If one was to go behind the scenes one would know. Btw I am retired BA crew and my husband is a pilot.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 02/08/2019 19:57

Yes, you are BU actually.
Everyone has the right to protest. They train hard, it’s a really really stressful job and highly skilled - they usually have to pay for own training - which is NOT cheap and and are tied up in tricxy contracts if airline funded.
It’s hugely demanding and stressful but pays really well so obviously percentage increases in salary seem large in monetary terms to many.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 02/08/2019 20:02

I get where you are coming from. No human being is worth 10 times (or 10 million times) more than another. We live in a grotesquely unequal world

You sound like a sulky teen!
It’s not a person is worth more per se, but the job that calls for higher renumeration due to many factors already discussed.

CarolDanvers · 02/08/2019 20:26

I don't think they should target the school holidays. By law we cannot take our children out of school and travel when we want to. I understand why they strike and I honestly do sympathise but strike when it primarily affects business travel rather than families who already have to pay huge prices to travel at that time. I know BA dragged it out, I even think they did that for precisely this reason ie to reduce sympathy for the strikes but I still think it's terrible if the union calls strikes over the next month.

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