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to think that this person is not a suitable teacher

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 15:37

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-49177014

A teacher got drunk at a school's end of year prom, told male pupils the girls were "gagging for it" and threatened to "knock out" the school principal, a panel heard.

He told the panel he heard him say: "Lads, you need to go where this lot are for the after party, they are gagging for it", referring to the female pupils.

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Haggisfish · 31/07/2019 15:39

I would agree with you.

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 15:41

I wouldn't want him teaching a son or daughter of mine because his behaviour is so far from acceptable, I wouldn't want them thinking it's OK.

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Elliebellbell · 31/07/2019 15:42

I can just imagine his type, thinks he's all "down with the kids". I imagine most people, staff, parents and pupils alike can see him for the giant bellend that he is.

Arseholes like this always out themselves in the end.

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 15:45

Unfortunately the panel who considered his 'professional' conduct (in the very loosest sense of the term) thought he was OK to teach Shock

I hope he doesn't have a job for September.

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lmusic87 · 31/07/2019 15:46

The professional conduct panel ruled it was a "one-off".

What the hell!?

AwfulMum123 · 31/07/2019 15:50

As he is already leaving the school concerned, I would agree with the panel’s judgement. Foolish, immature and seriously misjudged words and actions but, if this was genuinely a one off, I wouldn’t stop him from teaching elsewhere, no. Certainly not if he had previously been successful in the classroom. I don’t think it would be possible for him to stay at this school having behaved like this, however.
NB: I am assuming this is an end of Y11 prom and not an end of Y6 prom.

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 15:53

At age 29 you'd hope he would be beyond such immaturity surely? Even if it was a one one it's still a totally unacceptable behaviour for a teacher to model to students.
Yes, year 11 prom.

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Atlasta · 31/07/2019 16:01

We had a teacher like this in secondary school. Religious Studies. He would open up his classroom on a lunchtime and all his year 11 disciples would pile in and they would lounge on the tables scoffing at the other teachers and swearing and the teacher would be all flirty with the select girls. Meeting up out of school wasn't unheard of.
He was massively unprofessional and I wish he had been reported.He was also a very poor teacher. More interested in how he looked and trying to be cool.

AwfulMum123 · 31/07/2019 16:05

I certainly agree it is awful behaviour to model to students but the teens involved are likely to have thought he was a complete prat. He will become, at most, an anecdote to laugh about amongst this year group when they get together and then forgotten about. I’m just not sure that his behaviour is bad enough to warrant being struck off when you consider what professionals in positions of responsibility normally have to do to be considered unfit to do their job ever again. No children were harmed, he is very likely to have paid to attend the prom so not there in an official ‘work’ capacity (however this is a grey area) and no actual violence happened.

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 16:12

AwfulMum (sure you aren't BTW!) I know what you mean but I still think it's beyond acceptable for a teacher - most will have thought he was a prat but what of the influence on the young women who might have taken on board what he was saying as acceptable?

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LolaSmiles · 31/07/2019 16:17

He sounds like a total arsehole who thinks he is down with the kids and has made a series of stupid and unprofessional remarks. It could he that he's a terrible person, it's more likely given It's a one off that he has watched 16 year olds flirting badly for hours and they're clearly interested in each other and he has made some utterly unprofessional comments as a poor attempt at humour.

I think a stern talking to is enough and a warning on his professional record. If there are no concerns about his ability to do his job then to remove his career seems an overreaction for the situation.

herculepoirot2 · 31/07/2019 16:22

It’s not great, but these panels are made up of experienced professionals and this is a serious “warning shot” that will follow him around for the rest of his career. Seems appropriate to me.

AryaStarkWolf · 31/07/2019 16:25

I can just imagine his type, thinks he's all "down with the kids"

Not so much down with the kids as a "lad" he doesn't seem to be "down with" the female pupils.

Lobeliablue · 31/07/2019 16:28

God he sounds a twat, unfortunately those awful remarks give more than a glimpse of his true self and I wouldn’t want him teaching my kids.

Knitclubchatter · 31/07/2019 16:30

He was drunk. Professionals of all sorts do stupid things while drunk.
The panels rulings are fine. I’m sure if he gets called up again the sanctions will be tougher.

ThePalehorse · 31/07/2019 16:32

Seeing as his names been printed I expect his career is over as no one will hire him. What a twat!

cansu · 31/07/2019 16:37

He was drunk. Lots of people behave completely atrociously when drunk. Yes, he was an immature arse but this shouldn't mean the end of his whole career. By that token, one might expect our current prime minister should never have got the job given that he has had a drunken row at his home necessitating a police visit and was it the current minister in charge of brexit who admitted using cocaine? If the people in charge of our country are allowed to fuck up one would expect it is reasonable for a secondary school teacher to get inappropriately drunk and live to tell the tale.

mussolini9 · 31/07/2019 16:40

The professional conduct panel ruled it was a "one-off".

WTF? ONCE wasn't enough for them?

TooTrueToBeGood · 31/07/2019 16:41

Professionals of all sorts do stupid things while drunk.

Professionals do not get drunk when they are in charge of minors.

Rainuntilseptember15 · 31/07/2019 16:42

I never understand why teachers go to prom. (Well I do - pupils want you to and without any teachers the prom can't happen) Unless you stay completely off drink it is an accident waiting to happen. You just have to view it as work, not a night out.

herculepoirot2 · 31/07/2019 16:48

Rainuntilseptember15

Most people can have one or two drinks and not be at any risk at all of dropping their professional standards.

Rainuntilseptember15 · 31/07/2019 16:52

Wouldn't matter how drunk I got I wouldn't behave the way this man did, but it's a massive risk to do anything that lowers your inhibitions while around pupils. I don't have any level of alcohol consumption I would consider professional. So again, I don't think teachers should go to prom while there are pupils around with camera phones to capture their every word.

S1naidSucks · 31/07/2019 16:56

I don’t give a shiny shit how drunk he was, it shows a horribly misogynistic attitude, that I have little doubt filters through to his teaching, even if in a subtle way.

LolaSmiles · 31/07/2019 17:00

Rainuntilseptember15
People are more than capable of enjoying a couple of social drinks without behaving unprofessionally.
I tend not to drink at Y11 proms because it's usually at a venue a reasonable drive from home, but at Y13 prom it's fairly common for the leavers to buy staff a thank you drink. It's actually quite nice seeing the kids you've taught for years now entering adulthood.

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MsJRMEsq · 31/07/2019 17:01

What S1naidSucks said.
At our school the teachers do go to prom - the head is there to meet and greet and then goes and a number of designated teachers are there to keep an eye on things but on a work basis and absolutely do not get drunk.

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