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to think hunt saboteurs are heroes?

114 replies

FishCanFly · 26/07/2019 16:17

I always donate when they're fundraising locally.

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GibbonLover · 26/07/2019 17:30

Could someone tell me what 'bloodhounding' actually involves please?

MadamePompadour · 26/07/2019 17:32

Well I just googled "hunt sab stabbed horse" because obviously if it was true I would condem such behaviour and it will have made the news or a forum, or YouTube or something.

All I can find is court reports about hunt members being charged with assault for hurting sabs, hunt members stabbing hunt sab car tyres, some hunt master using his horse as a weapon and ending up in court....btw he said the sab stabbed him in the leg but could provide no proof of any injury. Hmmmmm.

vampirethriller · 26/07/2019 17:33

No. They're not.

ravenshope · 26/07/2019 17:33

I was a hunt saboteur in the early 1990s. Things may have changed but my group never hurt any animal, human or otherwise.

Lexilooo · 26/07/2019 17:33

The reason the police may be perceived to be "doing nothing" or "protecting the hunters" is that there is likely no evidence that the hunt are outside the law.

Contrary to popular belief hunting has not been entirely outlawed. The legislation is more full of holes than a colander. There are various ways that hunts can still operate within the law and the police can't do anything if the hunt are acting within the law. However sabs may well be breaking the law if they are on private property or behaving in an intimidating/threatening way.

In addition drag hunting and bloodhound hunting still continue as they did pre-ban and although they involve groups of hounds and horses they have never involved foxes. Some people refuse to believe they aren't hunting fox and will sab them anyway.

Some people seem to believe that any large gathering of horses with smartly dressed riders are hunting. I have been on the receiving end of verbal abuse when on a pleasure ride where there were no hounds.

I can well believe that someone could be attacked by a sab while not hunting, if they were hacking near where a hunt is taking place.

Saucery · 26/07/2019 17:34

Live human runner, GibbonLover, the bloodhounds set off after them, the horse try to keep up.
They don’t tear the runner apart and their blood isn’t smeared over the faces of small children at the end.

Lexilooo · 26/07/2019 17:37

@Gibbonlover

Bloodhound hunting is also known as hunting the clean boot.

A pack of bloodhounds follow the natural scent of a cross country runner.

Bloodhounds aren't trained to the scent of fox and don't have the prey drive of a foxhound. They are bred to track human scent and have been for generations. Bloodhound packs have existed in their current form since before the ban and are unaffected by the ban.

iloveruby · 26/07/2019 17:38

I've only ever been out with drag hunts and completely disagree with hunting any live animal.

My issue with sabs is that they seem pretty happy to target any hunt regardless of whether they are fox hunting or not and that there actions have been known to harm horses and hounds. This ends up meaning they loose support which seems pretty short sighted.

HopelessLayout · 26/07/2019 17:40

They are true heroes! I will never forget a video I once saw of a lady (sab) who rushed into the middle of a pack of snarling hounds, grabbed the fox they were about to rip apart into her arms, ran off down the road, jumped into a car and drove off with the fox!
Apparently she was bitten by the terrified fox as well although that wasn't highlighted in the video.

If something is wrong, take action!

Saucery · 26/07/2019 17:41

Drag hunts frequently turn into hunting of live foxes. Anyone who claims otherwise is a disingenuous bloodthirsty horror. They were designed to lead to live prey, in fact, due to the methods used.
Trail hunts tend not to lead to killing foxes as often but it can still happen.

The life of a foxhound isn’t very nice either. Can be killed at any stage in their lives and don’t get ‘retired’ just shot.

IncandescentShadow · 26/07/2019 17:41

Err, no. They wandered up my house drive (I live on a small farm) because they thought the hunt was in the area. They refused point blank to speak to me, the men all wore balaclavas and they carried bottles of a substance (might have been ammonia). They then went into one of my fields, loitered there, wandered off over some winter barley, then came back and were near my horses's stables. At that point I phoned the police and there was a bit of a kerfuffle, and they were escorted off the premises.

There is no hunting anywhere near me. The nearest hunting is around 10 miles away. The police told me that they had "heard there was a hunt in the area" and told me to keep an eye out for them coming back, particularly at night, to spray anti-scent stuff. I now have cameras up.

Really quite scary. Particularly strange was the fact that they would not speak to me at all. Not one word. Even though I was perfectly polite and civil to them and asked them at first if they were lost. Just wouldn't reply.

I have heard that they are paid by a couple who live in the nearest city to us and organised by them, often being recruited on university campus.

I found nothing whatsoever heroic about them. You have no idea how idiotic they appear to people who actually live in the countryside and who have to deal with things such as speeding vehicles causing roadkill and fly tipping. And then they come for a day out to tell us how to live our lives! I look forward to the day they hijack a speeding car on a country lane, or a vehicle transporting animals live to slaughter to check their condition - now the latter is a real animal welfare problem that a blind eye is turned to!

Along with halal slaughter and conditions in slaughterhouses generally...

Lexilooo · 26/07/2019 17:41

www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/quarry-happened-hunted-hounds/

Here is an article about bloodhound hunting

Carpetburns · 26/07/2019 17:41

AngryNo, they are townies who don't understand how the countryside works.

Vivavivienne · 26/07/2019 17:42

YABU. They are not heroes.

I had a brick thrown at me as a child at a bloodhound meet. There are no fucking foxes and no prey other than a nutty runner called Giles at a bloodhound meet!

They are aggressive, angry, foul mouthed and violent. I’m all for quiet protest, but I cannot abide anyone calling people heroes when they also injure children and horses deliberately.

HopelessLayout · 26/07/2019 17:43

This is the video I was talking about. A true hero!

Saucery · 26/07/2019 17:43

8 out of 10 people who live in the countryside are against hunting. Research has proved it’s not a Town V Country thing, or a Class thing.

wijjjy · 26/07/2019 17:44

Hunt sabs are scum.

iloveruby · 26/07/2019 17:46

@Saucery if drag hunts are just designed to lead to live prey why were so many established before the ban?

I've seen hounds run past potential live prey because they are trained to follow just one particular scent.

IncandescentShadow · 26/07/2019 17:46

They are true heroes! I will never forget a video I once saw of a lady (sab) who rushed into the middle of a pack of snarling hounds, grabbed the fox they were about to rip apart into her arms, ran off down the road, jumped into a car and drove off with the fox!
Apparently she was bitten by the terrified fox as well although that wasn't highlighted in the video.

Err right. Well lets hope she didn't drop off the terrified fox who now thought he had been captured by his prey and was probably also shitting himself, near a field of lambs.

I'd love proposals as to how sheep in upland pastures can be protected from foxes?

  • farmers don't keep sheep in upland pastures any longer
  • farmer pays a 24 hour shift to sit out in multiple places in vast swathes of upland land to shoot foxes as soon as they move
  • the real solution is of course sadly trapping and snaring, rather than hunting which tends to move foxes away to an easier territory where they can prey on wild game

Any suggestions though would be fascinating, because I've thought about it and if you want sheep to enjoy their short lives outsides, you have to protect them from foxes.

Perhaps we just have to keep sheep and lambs etc indoors all their lives so foxes can run free?

Lexilooo · 26/07/2019 17:46

Saucery you have trail hunting and drag hunting the wrong way round.

Drag hunting existed pre-ban and has always been a way of hunting without foxes being harmed. It normally involves an artificial scent like aniseed rather than say fox urine. Trail hunting is what some fox hunting packs do post ban, and there have been instances of hounds confusing the scent with a fox.

IncandescentShadow · 26/07/2019 17:50

This is the video I was talking about. A true hero!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkY7w8u6uEw

Sorry, heroes in their own minds maybe.

The only thing I am thinking watching that video is why didn't the silly bisum wear a thick pair of gloves?

The teeth on that fox, mind!

Bentley111 · 26/07/2019 17:50

YABU - and @MadamePompadour, YAVVVBU.

I've been regularly bloodhounding/drag hunting for the past 5 years. My local "hunt" have never once hurt a fox or any animal for that matter.

I've witnessed sabs or "heroes" Hmm pull the reins, kick horses, punch dogs, try to pull both adults and children off their horses.

Pp who said they go after any group of well dressed individuals on horseback is right. Sabs are scandalous people.

OldAndWornOut · 26/07/2019 17:51

A balanced view would probably be that there are scum on both sides, bad apples exist everywhere.
Hunting foxes though.
Not my idea of a 'sport'.

Saucery · 26/07/2019 17:51

I have yes, Lexilooo, thank you. Both can still lead to foxes being torn apart in prolonged and hideous agony though, one more often than the other. So sabs do target both, just to be on the safe side.

malificent7 · 26/07/2019 17:51

I did a hunt protest once...the hunters deliberately charged us. I only had a stall Confused

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