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Ending a friendship - was I rash?

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StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 09:05

Hello,

I'm new here, and I'd appreciate others' perspective on a friendship (or whatever the heck it is) that I think I should end.

Last year, this amazing man entered my life. Smart, witty, and incredibly intelligent. We'd chat for hours, and pretty much from the get-go he started to share the secrets of his life, and what he thought of others. I thought it a bit odd that such a level of closeness would be achieved so soon, but overlooked it because of the sheer amount of attention he was giving me. I'm talking about hundreds of messages a day, pretty much through the entire day with only a few hours break in between. It was like a firehose of attention, praise, and flattery, and he'd laugh at even the most banal thing I'd say. It was becoming obvious I was the centre of his world, and that he'd placed me on a pedestal. It was also clear he had been stalking me on FB before we started chatting, and during this phase, he'd continue stalking, and not missing a chance to leave a comment on my posts. But then it started to change.

I noticed he'd then start talking about other women he was chatting with on dating websites. This was also around the time when he'd start making a few cutting remarks (disguised as just jokes), and I began to notice he'd start to brag about his accomplishments, especially in areas he knew I was insecure about. This prompted our first argument, as I reasoned that anybody with empathy - and who knew me as well as he did by then - wouldn't have boasted in such a way. I asked him to please stop doing so, followed by an explanation of why I was hurt. There then followed an outpouring of hurt and rage from him, that I should ever have doubted him, and it was significantly out of proportion with the nature of the argument. In the lead-up to this argument, I noticed I was getting drained of energy, increasingly anxious and depressed, and my work colleagues noticed a significant downturn in my mood from my otherwise happy, confident, cheerful self. I felt I was being crushed, but despite this, I felt desperate to get him back, because I suppose by now I was hooked on him. Throughout the friendship, he'd get quite intimate by giving me plenty of mental images to think about, and he certainly knows how attractive he is, and ditto his physique.

After a period of silence, we started chatting again, but it wasn't the same. The draining continued until a few weeks later another argument came out of the blue. By now I was pretty much a shell of my former self. I don't remember what prompted it, but again, I felt his rage was significantly out of proportion, as was the cruelty and paranoia. No matter what I tried to put my side across, he'd callously and coolly give a contemptuous answer back. I was then discarded.

A few months later, he made a media appearance, and naturally wanted his world to know about it. That included me. No apology, and no reference to how things had ended, though he did sound humble in his greeting. I decided to give him another chance.

It wasn't that long before I was being devalued and belittled again. Anything I had done, he'd find a way to prove or show that he'd done more of or is better at. He hardly missed an opportunity to do this, all while praising me, and considering ourselves to be equals. As time progressed, he'd find ways to belittle the things I enjoyed doing, implying I had little integrity in doing them - while he claims to have integrity and admire it in people, he's also quite a hypocrite. The harsh jokes increased, but when going over a topic I was insecure about, instead of stopping when I was becoming irritated, he carried on through, then complain harshly that I was too sensitive and defensive about it when I tried to get him to stop. Anyone with empathy - such as the rest of my friends - would know when to back off, or talk about it more sensitively.

I began to notice he was increasingly cruel, callous, and judgemental about how he talked about others. OK, I regret that I ended up doing a little of the same myself, but the scale of his callousness took my breath away. This is the part he doesn't allow anybody to see, I guess, except me, and it's vastly different to the sweet, charming, engaging, and happy persona he puts across to people. He travels a lot, and recently told me about how everyone he met liked him, and remarking how intelligent he is. It got to the point where it was bon-stop boasting, interspersed with mocking people he considered inferior to him - actually, he considers pretty much everybody to be inferior to him in most ways.

Again, I felt I was being crushed, and my mood had significantly dipped. He made one last hurtful remark to me after another period of boasting, at which point I ended our friendship. I don't know if there's anything to salvage, or if it would be worth it. We weren't romantic partners, BTW.

Part of me misses him, his intelligence, and our meaningful conversations. He's a remarkable man (he said the same about me plenty of times), but I wonder what was really going on behind it all. Was I too hasty in ending it, and should I have been less sensitive and defensive about things? I'd appreciate some feedback on this.

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BMW6 · 24/07/2019 16:46

He's a remarkable man

So was Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussain, Pol Pot, Papa Doc Duvalier, Herod the Great, etc etc etc

Also all total cunts

WizardOfAus · 24/07/2019 16:46

He’s a remarkable man

Sounds like a remarkable dick head

StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 16:51

@bmw6 I'm afraid I'm naïve to it all, because I've been fairly isolated over the years. It's only now that I'm becoming aware of it. I chatted with a strong-willed friend of mine today a little about it, and she revealed she'd been trapped in a similarly-abusive relationship for 20 years before she realised what was going on.

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StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 16:53

@Jebuschristchocolatebar Oh, he does exist. Like I said, I knew of him as well, and a limited amount about his life.

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recrudescence · 24/07/2019 16:55

Step out of yourself for a moment and re-read your first post. What advice would you give to a friend who told you that?

Goodnightchristopherrobin · 24/07/2019 16:58

This is the cycle of narcissistic abuse. I’ve been there and it almost destroyed me.

These men are personality disordered and no good for anyone.

Block him, move on and work on yourself to ensure that you are never vulnerable to another one of them!

thetimekeeper · 24/07/2019 17:00

Just because he is who he says he is doesn't mean he can't have terrible intentions or be terribly abusive.

Him genuinely being who he says is not a measure of safety.

Just block him. If you are doing research, I hope it's only to protect yourself from future people like him not because you want to resume things.

VenusTiger · 24/07/2019 17:29

Erm.... how do you even know he’s the person you think he is if you’ve never met him. Anyone can post photos of someone else.

Sounds like a loner. 100s of messages in one day would’ve sent me running! That’s called an obsession.

He must be on his PC constantly and you won’t be the only one he’s “grooming” into submission for his attention.

I don’t think he’s real tbh.

Isatis · 24/07/2019 18:07

He doesn't sound in the least intelligent, not least because if he was he wouldn't have to keep going on about it, it would be obvious to everyone who deals with him; also because he apparently has no perception of what a dickhead he must come over as.

StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 18:26

@VenusTiger I've confirmed from our mutuals that he'd been speaking with me. Yes, I imagined that he's got to be so lonely to be spending so much time on me and no doubt other people.

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StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 18:31

@thetimekeeper Yeah, I'm researching to discover just what had been going on, and the why. I get fascinated about these things.

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StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 18:41

@Isatis

He doesn't sound in the least intelligent, not least because if he was he wouldn't have to keep going on about it

"He who complains too much" and all that. I can easily see how that works for the things he said about himself that started to see through, but in terms of his intellect, yes, he's got it in spades. OK, I've been doing some reading this pm, and he appears to be a combination of a cerebral and somatic narcissist. It's his emotional intelligence that's probably lacking.

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StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 19:01

My goodness, it was pretty much all of this:

kimsaeed.com/2015/06/05/the-cerebral-narcissist-a-portrait-2/

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Goodnightchristopherrobin · 24/07/2019 20:06

StellaStreet yes, I’ve been there, that’s their MO. They are broken, personality disordered individuals with absolutely no empathy or compassion for others. The only thing you can do is limp away and try to heal yourself. It has been the worst experience of my entire existence.

StellaStreet · 24/07/2019 21:56

@Goodnightchristopherrobin Sorry to hear that - I hope your healing is going well

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MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 24/07/2019 22:01

Ugh he sounds like my narcissist ex

Run away, don't look back!

StellaStreet · 25/07/2019 10:40

Found on another thread, my annotations in brackets with my experience

Always plays the victim [not so much, but has a victim complex from how others treated him]
Cannot be happy for anyone [the charming persona can, but the hidden one much less so]
Very jealous of other people
No friends- falls out with absolutely everyone [keeps a harem of superficial friends, but falls out with close ones, pretty badly too]
Behaves like a child [linked to how he treats people when the charming persona isn't on display]
Must get their own way [oh boy, yes]
Talks badly about people behind their back [ditto]
Aggressive [not physically, but over-assertive]
Always causing drama wherever they go [looking back through the messages, very much so]

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StellaStreet · 08/08/2019 13:24

After more research (I'm one hell of a researcher), this fits the bill pretty much perfectly:

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-integrationist/201608/narcissist-or-sociopath-similarities-differences-and-signs

A malignant narcissist, and quite possibly a psychopath. The utter c**t. It's pointless getting worked up on the miserable piece of shit. I don't envy him for his various 'successes', I pity him. If I do bump into him - which could easily happen - all I'll need to say is that I've seen straight through him like a pane of glass. Then I'll make him panic by asking who else has also found him out, but he doesn't know they have? Shame is their worst fear, apparently, so the thought that he's known or suspected to be a manipulative narc will make his blood run cold.

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ChocolateCakeAndRainbows · 08/08/2019 20:02

*hazell42

He is a textbook narcissist and could well be a psychopath.
He believes himself to he superior to just about everyone, especially you.
He can be charming, but it's an act designed to suck you in.
Your value to him is in your adoration of him which is why he goes ballistic if you question him.
But while he loves to be adored, he also despises you as weak for adoring him
because he adores no one.
Knowing this about him, which in your heart of hearts you do, because you have explained it to us, why would you want him in your life.
His initial love bombing of you was a ploy. You would have given him the elbow long ago if you didnt have the memory of that. Trust me when I tell you that that is not the real him. Dont waste your time trying to find that person again. He was never real to begin with*

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