to be upset?

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by history

A bit lighthearted but I’ve noticed that whenever I read/watch historical things I feel emotional.

Don’t think I’ll ever be able to get over the tragedy of Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn’s lives and deaths under Henry, nor some elements of the War of the Roses/the Princes in the tower or the Roman slaves.

Does anyone have any advice on dealing with being overly invested in people who died half a millennium ago

I don't give a stuff about the Tudors, but I am heavily over invested in the Plantagenets!

I agree. Since I had kids some of this stuff has become unbearable!

@LittleCandle

Oooh yes, me too. Not sure I’ll ever not be upset with how Margaret Pole died.

I feel very bad for them too op. Henry VIII was an absolute cunt 😠

Stop reading history books and switch to another channel if any history comes on. Ask you family to steer clear of historical topics in conversation.

I can well up at reading the (reported) words of Anne Boleyn on the scaffold, protecting her little daughter by being nice about her own murderer.

History is emotional.

Not sure I’ll ever not be upset with how Margaret Pole died.

If it's any consolation, she did get a major roundabout named after her

Mary Queen of Scots' story gets to me.
And the bloke who had a red hit poker shoved up his bum.

I’m so with you. I remember trying not to cry when looking at a priest hole at Hever castle and imaging the awful fear of the last moments the person would have spent there. No record or who they’d have been either now seeing the tiny dark space and thinking of the lives lost was really emotional.

They have Henry VIII’s bed there as well, I nearly properly bawled at that.

Edward II Heratnumber7

Poor bastard

Mary is my favourite. Her little dog cowering in her skirts after she’d died. And the story that when they held her head up by the hair after they lopped it off her head fell out because it was a wig.

Don’t think I’ll ever be able to get over the tragedy of Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn’s lives and deaths under Henry

OK, that's taking things a bit too far. Yes, the story of these women is terrible and should never be forgotten but there is nothing to 'get over'. You weren't there, you weren't directly affected. Perhaps you could redirect these feelings towards today's non-Royal, unprivileged women who are murdered by their husbands - women whose stories are rarely told.

It goes without saying, don't visit the Sistine Chapel...

It goes without saying, don't visit the Sistine Chapel

Jane Grey and Katherine Howard, were abused children and died as teenagers (or early twenties- history not certain of KH’s actual rob). The thought of how they were killed and their dignity throughout. Chilling.

The Romanov family and their staff gets me, the awful botched way they were executed, how terrifying it must have been in that basement. The girls had jewels hidden in their corsets so the gun shots from the drunk firing squad didn't kill them and they had to be finished off with bayonets.

I do find the royal shenanigans quite shocking - I found it interesting seeing how people reacted to Game of Thrones extreme violence but most of it was directly lifted from actual history!

But what I find upsetting is the history of slavery, British Empire, holocaust, and other genocides. Upsetting that human nature has allowed this, that some people are still living with the legacy, and that we seem to have failed to learn from it and such things are still happening in the world. And that some so called humans think that's ok

Mary Queen of Scots' pearl necklace that she wore on her wedding day is in an unobtrusive cabinet in a dining room in Arundel Castle. It slightly blew my mind when I saw it.

This is one of the reasons I refuse to visit the Tower of London, I'm pretty sure places like that have negative energy from the suffering of people imprisoned there. I find it overwhelming thinking of the tortures meted out there.

I'm not expressing myself well at all here, probably because I feel so strongly about this sort of thing.

Lots of sad stories that may or may not be true.

I imagine that a lot of the people writing accounts of things at the time were no more honest in their version of events than a lot of the journalists who write for papers like the Daily Mail now a days.They probably liked to embroider their stories too.

What we can be pretty sure of though is that the average people living in these times had bloody awful lives for the whole of their lives.

I very much doubt that the kings and queens and the rest of the nobility gave a stuff for the rest of the population living in starvation and squalor; they and their lives were part of history too.

I find Queen Anne sad and how different times were. She was pregnant 17 times she had 5 stillbirths 7 miscarriages and 5 children born alive. 4 died before they were 2. One her son died at the age of 11

It’s worth it if you like jewels Snowfalling I lost track of how many times I took the travelator past the crowns! But you’re so right about the energy of parts of it. I thought the Sistine chapel was overrated and desperately crowded, pretty underwhelming, but I felt very uncomfortable in the prison bit of the Tower, the suffering seeps from the walls, and I dashed through it happy to be back in the sunshine.

It’s easy to let your imagination run wild but some places do feel steeped in history and significant. The tree at Hatfield house which Elizabeth was sitting under when she found out Mary had died and she was the new queen is one of them.

I am heart sorry for Mary, Queen of Scots (probably because I am a Scot). She was young and had not really been taught how to rule. Her brother, James Stuart, was a despicable bastard (literally) and betrayed his own sister because he felt he should have ruled instead of her.

I don't like Elizabeth I, but I also think she was badly damaged emotionally by all the ructions of her life. She was a complete cow to Mary, Queen of Scots, which I do understand, as she felt threatened by her, but given that they were two Queens on the same small island at the same time, which was unique, she could have been kinder to Mary.

There are so many tragic figures in history and I can never understand how anyone can think it dull.

I get upset about Lady Jane Grey. Poor girl did nothing wrong, she was used by others and died for it.

Littlecandle fellow overinvested Plantagenet here too

Love your user name @Loyaultemelie!

I might be remembering wrongly, but wasnt LJG executed because she continued to assert her right to the throne after Mary had 'forgiven' her?