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to think that people have no idea how to apply for jobs?!

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myteenytinyteapot · 17/07/2019 09:44

Just that really. Hiring for a senior admin person at the moment and have had hundreds of applications but honestly only about four shortlistable ones. I have had:

  • CVs which include full-length glamour model style photographs of applicants
  • CVs without cover letters when the advert clearly asks for a cover letter
  • CVs and cover letters riddled with spelling and grammatical errors
  • CVs which are 20 pages long and go into loads of detail about the hobbies and interests of the applicant. Also hardly anyone uses page numbers!
  • Cover letters which are obviously just generic copied and pasted mass send out jobs - "I am writing to apply for the position advertised". Couldn't even be arsed to put in the job title!
  • People applying who don't have any of the essential requirements listed

AIBU that I'm not surprised people can't get jobs if this is the general standard considered acceptable?!

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SAHDtoday · 18/07/2019 20:13

Just curious to what makes a good CV, I have one but think it under sells me given the skills i have, is there a place that will proof read and help you to correct?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/07/2019 20:30

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I worked in private healthcare insurance and friends of mine worked in private healthcare admin

So i wondered if the terminology had changed Grin

I hope you find something soon

NinjaInFluffyPJs · 18/07/2019 20:32

One more question. When describing the role you were in, is it better in bullet points or whole sentences?

For example:
Restaurant assistant manager

  • responsiblity for training new team members and retraining current ones when required
  • cash handling
  • Stock taking, ordering and assuring rotation of old and new produce
  • customer service blablablabla

Or
In this role I was responsible for bla and blabla when required. I had to assure that bla bla and blab are up to standards and in accordance with hygiene regulations bla. Blabla blablablaa bla.

Obviously with better grammar😂

Chocolatekitty · 18/07/2019 20:51

Given the general spelling and grammar ability of most of the population, I don't doubt that many applications are dreadful. On the other side of the coin, I have also seen many, many job ads that are misspelled with poor grammar and sometimes contradictory information. I'm also annoyed not only by the lack of salary given in many, but also, when hiring through recruiters, not even saying where the job is based other than a vague region. Just saying the South West is no good when that could mean Cheltenham or Truro.

Flooopers · 18/07/2019 20:55

I once saw a job ad that said 'the cost of this advertisement will be taken from your salary'. Shock

I mean talk about broadcasting the fact that you're parsimonious wankers. If you're that miserly just advertise the salary as it is minus the cost of the ad!

Disquieted1 · 18/07/2019 20:57

I found the whole process to be a farce. Look around any workplace, every single person came TOP when it comes to application, sift, assessment, interview, testing etc. If the process worked you'd expect organisations to be full of A players who deliver top performance. But it quite clearly doesn't.

I'm glad that I now work for myself rather than jumping through ridiculous hoops for the privilege of giving my labour to carry out tasks for someone else.

Flooopers · 18/07/2019 21:02

@NinjaInFluffyPJs, I would say bullet point the key responsibilities of each job you've had in the Career Summary part of your CV and then use the cover letter to flesh it out a bit more and explain how you feel your experience makes you an ideal candidate.

goose1964 · 18/07/2019 21:05

About the work coaches, my son was told to apply for a job as a hairdresser which stated you need to be qualified. He has no interest or qualifications in hairdressing, he eventually managed to point out the lack of essential qualifications.

transformandriseup · 18/07/2019 21:11

@Flooopers

I once applied for a low paying job which asked for a full days interview so I had to take a day unpaid from work. Then they asked us to bring a presentation about marketing their products (it was a finance role so I didn’t get this). I followed all the instructions but on arriving found out it was a group interview as the manager had been on his stag do the night before. He had forgotten they had even asked us to do a presentation and sent us home early. Three weeks later I had a one line email saying “sorry you were not successful” A chocolate bar wrapper would have said more and I actually cried because I had taken the day off unpaid.

Flooopers · 18/07/2019 21:17

@transformandriseup, sounds like that company takes a shitty approach to recruitment! I've never experienced a group interview but they sound hellish. I suppose taking a day off work is kind of unavoidable but I always offer to refund travel costs in order to make life a little easier for people.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 18/07/2019 21:36

I've been on both sides of this equation.

When I was doing the hiring, I was gobsmacked at how many rubbish CVs we received. Bad spelling, appalling grammar (I don't mean an incorrect use of a semi colon, I mean an inability to use a capital letter correctly), completely irrelevant experience/skillset compared to the job...you name it, I weeded it out. And, when we did shortlist four candidates, one rang up about an hour before the interview to say he wanted about 30% more money than was on offer. When I told him no, he huffily announced that he didn't see the point in coming to the interview. Frankly I agreed with him - he was a pain in the arse and I'd not even met him yet.

However, having been the person looking for a job recently, I was equally gobsmacked at how many employers want the moon on a stick. Applications not looked at unless there was a custom cover letter detailing why you were interested in the job, why your skills were relevant and what you would bring to them as an employee. And that was before the enormous 8-section application forms that required an extensive statement as to how you met every single one of their criteria (all 40 of them) and - again - how your skills were relevant, what you'd bring as an employee, blah, blah, blah. To the PP who asked how anyone could spend 5 hours on a job application, THIS is how. Some of those statements took hours to write in order to make something coherent, readable and that covered the job spec. There were some jobs where a big personal statement was appropriate, but there were oh so many jobs where the recruiter seemed to be on a power-trip, where they thought the job they were offering was so special that they were entitled to demand you jumped through every hoop just to get them to read your cv (see also: basic admin jobs requiring a 2:1 as an entry qualification).

And then, after all of that, most of the time I'd not even get an interview because - despite all my so-called transferable skills - unless you've got the actual experience to walk into a job and pick it up on Day 1 as if you've been there a decade, a lot of employers won't even consider you because a) they don't have the skills themselves to work out what skills they need in their employees, they can only tick a box against "Done it already", and b) they can't be bothered to train anyone up.

Thankfully I found an employer who recognised my skills - even though I didn't have half the experience they wanted - and let me learn. Without wanting to sound too up my own arse, it turns out I'm bloody good at what I do but most employers wouldn't even give me a second glance.

I'd rather have a smear test while having my eyeballs gouged out than job hunt ever again.

JustDanceAddict · 18/07/2019 21:42

I applied for a job in the past year, got an interview and it went well. I fulfilled all the competencies and then they landed a second interview on me , and after that decided that I didn’t have experience in X, which wasn’t on the original job spec. V annoying.
I take a lot of care over job applications and usually get interviews but I find them tough now.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 18/07/2019 21:44

I'd rather have a smear test while having my eyeballs gouged out than job hunt ever again

Having been very fortunate to navigate the majority of my career through personal contacts and networks, I agree. It was bad enough when I was earlier on in my working life; and I can only imagine how much worse it has got now.

And yet it really doesn't have to be this way.

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MissKittyFantastico0 · 18/07/2019 21:48

Completely agree BrightYellowDaffodil..

OP - I am with you on the spelling errors and the troves of copy and paste - in this day and age that's inexcusable. However I think you're completely wrong on point #2.

YABU - Cover letters are an archaic thing - online applications have largely removed the need for them, and if you do find one that seems inexplicably well written, it's usually because they're writing what you want to hear, rather than what they actually mean. Also, if you insist on requiring them, are you going to reply to every single person who takes their time and effort to write a detailed cover letter just for you? From experience, spending hours on a job application for a position you really want only to receive sweet f.a. in return is why I've lost respect for the hiring processes of most companies.

Basketofkittens · 18/07/2019 21:48

There are far fewer admin jobs around these days and the pay is low. And they want you to have “passion and drive” for £18k a year. Hmm

The next decade will be interesting as routine roles are automated. Remember the days of typing pools and everybody having a secretary? Long gone. Admin is next to go.

Retail roles will also decrease in number.

AppleKatie · 18/07/2019 21:50

I once saw a job ad that said 'the cost of this advertisement will be taken from your salary'. shock

What??? That’s so outrageous it’s actually hilarious.

NinjaInFluffyPJs · 18/07/2019 22:07

@Flooopers thank you!

Labrodite · 18/07/2019 22:29

I once saw a job ad that said 'the cost of this advertisement will be taken from your salary

That’s shocking! I had an interview for a job not long ago that were going to deduct the cost of a DBS check from the successful candidate’s first pay cheque which I thought was pushing it a bit.

myteenytinyteapot · 18/07/2019 22:34

MissKittyFantastico0

How do you expect me to judge candidates without a cover letter telling me how they meet the job spec?

And BTW, we respond to every candidate who applies and we offer feedback on every single application.

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myteenytinyteapot · 18/07/2019 22:35

This is a senior admin role BTW, it's not covering reception, photocopying and basic data entry.

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coldwarenigma · 18/07/2019 22:37

On the subject of applications being taught to youngsters..when I was at school the top set were taught how to write a CV/ personal statements etc the rest of us it was a cover letter and application form the employer sent to you or you collected from the job centre. ...the cover letter was just that, 'please find enclosed my application for **..'

So some applications may well be from people like myself.

I have stayed in my current job for years as the last time I looked for another job I found the expectations of employers against what they were paying completely unrealistic. At least my employer is honest in its expectations and I know where I stand. The grass isn't always greener.

ChocolateNoodle · 18/07/2019 22:46

Rezie. If you cannot get an interview, then probably your application needs work. Apply on-line or use a black pen (never blue).
Read the Job Description. The most important aspect of the job will be listed first. Think about it. Can you do it?
Now read the Person Specification. Against each point, tick ✅ if you can do this easily. Two ticks ✅✅ if it is a daily task for you now.
However, if the item is utterly unknown to you, put a line against it in pencil. My general advice is if there are more than 3 lines on the Person Spec then the job probably isn’t for you.
CV should be maximum of 2 pages. Size 12 pitch in a plain font such as Ariel. Type Curriculum Vitae in the centre at the top. Down two lines, type your full name: ie James Johnson. Put your name in pitch size 14 if you wish. Next, type your address below your name. Include your postcode. Put your email address and your mobile phone number. Mobile numbers are best typed: 00000 000 000 because if the numbers are all together, it is possible for mistakes to be made.
I could go on, but, please google job applications; covering letters; CVs; interview techniques

Notcopingwellhere · 18/07/2019 23:00

Type Curriculum Vitae in the centre at the top

I disagree that anyone needs to type “Curriculum Vitae” at the top of their CV . Old fashioned and a waste of space. Just start with your name at the top in the middle.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 18/07/2019 23:22

So if industries like admin and retail are vanishing, what jobs will there be plenty of in 10+ years for us oldies?

Flooopers · 18/07/2019 23:23

There are lots of templates available online that will give you an up to date CV format.

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