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Was mil lieing?

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WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 09:50

Sorry this is a long one, I have NC for this. I have a controlling, interfering and manipulative mil. She uses lots of emotional blackmail and guilt trips to try to get what she wants (like it could be your grans last Christmas), even getting others in the family to guilt trip us. Bribary is also common practice. She will use lots of silent treatment if she doesn't get her way as well. She treats dh like a child and has an opinion on everything we do (how and where I give birth, how much to spend on engagement ring or birthday gifts, dh needs to go on a diet, I need to wear makeup, how much to donate at our dc's christening, how I spend my own disposable income). She sent us a pack of thank you cards in the post because we didn't send thank you cards a few days after giving birth. And her opinion is always the right one, she will just wear you down (hard to describe) until you see she is correct. She wants to know about everything we are doing, even my private medical matters, and she will divulge other people's very personal information they would not want others to know. I have become the black sheep of their family, and constantly made to feel like im the unreasonable one, like when I got pregnant their whole family gave me the silent treatment. At a family gathering I felt like I had leprosy. Because mil did not want us to have children telling my husband "I hope your not trying for a baby" (we were in 30s and married with a morgage).

Some examples of her behaviour: She was obsessed with me not breastfeeding. From when I was 10 weeks pregnant she would talk negatively about bf with me. Then after dc was born on her first visit she came into my bedroom while I was trying to establish bf and told me I should just give up. Then she rang every day asking dh if I was still bf. She then told dh she would buy him a perfect prep machine because her friend stopped bf and used the machine and it was alot better for mother and baby.
Another is Mil and step fil wanted to visit one weekend but I had a bad mastitis infection, and we told them to visit another time instead. Mil was screaming at dh on the phone saying I'm only trying to help and want to see my grandchild. She then didn't visit for months and instead gave dh silent treatment mainly communicating with him when she had something to blaim him for or imply I was keeping her from her grandchild.

DH doesn't see a problem with her behaviour so all I could do is go low contact and use grey rock techniques to share as little as possible with her. Getting dh to share less is difficult. I was doing that for months but she has this way, it's hard to explain to make you lower your guard and share information. She recently came around to see the dc when dh was away for work, dh said she would 'help out' and 'she hasn't seen dc in ages' . She was more interested in trying to talk to me giving me unsolicited advice than interacting with her grandchild she hadn't seen in a few months. So she started sharing her childhood experiences with me telling me how her parents where both narcissists who had little interest in her and never pushed her etc. Then went on to tell me her father beat her so much her ribs were broken. This is why she is so involved in her children's lives she said. So I believed her and felt sorry for her and shared more than I should have with her, like things about my own childhood experiences. Things she can use against me or tell others who I wouldn't want to know or try to lower my defences in the future. So I asked my husband about his grandfather beating mil as a child and he knows nothing about it. He said "She never told me this".
So now I'm thinking was she lieing wasn't she? Was this just a trick to get me to share more information than I should. I'm so stupid I feel like crying. I am sure she has lied in the past about more minor things. Do you think she was lieing? Thanks if anyone read this and any replies.

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Birdie6 · 14/07/2019 10:03

Possibly, but who'd know. The fact that your DH didn't know about the "grandfather beating her" story doesn't mean it wasn't true,,,,, but once again who'd know.

You can't unsay what you've told her. All you can do is to learn from the experience and go back to the Grey Rock method. Give her nothing - absolutely nothing. Never tell her anything about yourself, and if she tells you stuff about herself, just say Hmmm I see......would you like a cup of tea ?

Don't beat yourself up that she tricked you - just learn from it and move on .

Teddybear45 · 14/07/2019 10:10

My sister and I had a horrific childhood that was very different to the rest of my siblings due to age difference, her kids don’t and will never know about it. She probably is telling the truth. Also a lot of older women often had horrific experiences of breastfeeding (my mum included) if they didn’t have a trusted older woman to turn to - people have a rose tinted view of the past but the truth is most women couldn’t afford formula and health visitors often forced women to breastfeed through malnutrition and infections, then wean at 2-3 months when it invariable stopped working resulting in more problems. Even my mum didn’t want my sister or sil to bf to protect their mental health

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 10:55

@Teddybear45
Why would she tell me if she was keeping it a secret from her children, she didn't say it was a family secret or not to tell dh. Mil never bf because she was taking medication that meant she could not.
Can I ask if you were talking about your childhood with someone would you get upset and find it difficult to speak because mil didn't at all, she didn't seem even mildly upset.

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Treaclesweet · 14/07/2019 10:56

Try not to be alone with her. It doesn't really matter if it's true or not, she used it to manipulate you.

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 11:00

Birdie6 Thanks I'll try to do that. I'm a very socially anxious person and find it difficult in person. By text and email is easy. Also find confronting people or being blunt difficult

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Teddybear45 · 14/07/2019 11:08

@WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat - I did blurt it out a couple of times to people when I got emotional - a bit like verbal diarreah.

Shelby2010 · 14/07/2019 11:08

We’ve all fallen for this one, giving more information than we should have done because you’re in a ‘sharing moment’ with someone that you normally keep a distance from.

It doesn’t matter whether what she said is true or not, but DH wouldn’t necessarily know anyway. Before she died my MIL told me something that I know she never told DH.

TwistyTop · 14/07/2019 14:09

DH doesn't see a problem with her behaviour

Are you serious? I find this really hard to believe. I have a feeling it's more likely that he says he doesn't see a problem because he doesn't want to have to deal with it.

hazell42 · 14/07/2019 14:29

Maybe it never came up before.
Maybe sharing something private with you was a way of trying to get close to you
Maybe sshe had been working through private feelings aaboutit and only just felt strong enough to share
Who knows
I wouldn't assume she had lied. What would be the point? Unless she was trying to get you to share the location of your treasure or the place you buried your last husband, it would be an awfully roundabout way of getting you to talk her.
And if she repeats it, you go to the next family gathering, and say, hey what about that story about your broken ribs, in a very loud voice

Livelovebehappy · 14/07/2019 14:40

Hazell42 - maybe shouting out in front of others about her broken ribs isn’t a nice thing to do. If true, can you imagine how mortifying it would be for her to hear it shouted out in a family setting? It would be absolutely inappropriate, and not nice.

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 14:44

@TwistyTop
I would say his reaction to her behaviour is either digging his head in the sand, that's just the way she is. She just cares about her family. Or getting annoyed I'm talking about his mother again, why can't I make more of an effort. Or saying that happened ages ago why are you bringing that up when he wants proof/ example of her behaviour. Or denial all together.

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WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 14:50

If she has been keeping it from her children for all these years, why tell me? Surely I might bring it up with dh, she didn't say it was a family secret.
If it is true, and her saying that's why she pushes her children/ is involved in their lives lots. Does it excuse her interfering manipulative behaviour?
Also if its true wonder why she didn't go low to no contact with her father, would you let your children around a grandparent that broke your ribs?

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blackcat86 · 14/07/2019 14:55

She's a narcissist and will do or say anything to get the attention that she craves. That could include telling ridiculous lies. Clearly we've married the same man because she sounds just like my MIL. My MIL told me that she'd had a c section just after I'd had mine, and was in fact interfering when the doctor was trying to examine me - she's had natural births but in that moment it's as if she truly believes her own bullshit. My MIL also has some trump cards to wheel out and if shes not getting the attention she wants she'll start talking about her mcs in graphic details. Doesn't matter if you're out at a restaurant, doesn't matter if there are children there, she literally ramps up the details until you just cant ignore her. She also had issues with me trying to bf as how would she feed the baby (seriously). She does love DD but fuck me she's hard work. You must be on guard with this woman at all times. Do not tell her personal things about yourself, lie if you must, and try not to be alone with her. Its easier if your DH is on side or he might just tell her anyway. Does DH acknowledge the issues? I've found marriage counselling really helpful as otherwise DH and MIL try to rewrite history.

justilou1 · 14/07/2019 14:57

OP, generally people like your MIL are like they are because they are broken. While she may be lying, there are probably elements of truth to her story as well. You sound like you are learning the right techniques to deal with her, (Grey Rock, etc..) but she changed tactics and it worked. I would deflect her questions about you by giving her vague, “nothing” kinds of answers, then asking her lots of questions about herself. Start small then work up to really, really deep ones pretty quickly. She will love to hold court and the spotlight will be off you.

AmeriAnn · 14/07/2019 15:02

Also a lot of older women often had horrific experiences of breastfeeding (my mum included) if they didn’t have a trusted older woman to turn to - people have a rose tinted view of the past but the truth is most women couldn’t afford formula and health visitors often forced women to breastfeed through malnutrition and infections, then wean at 2-3 months when it invariable stopped working resulting in more problems. Even my mum didn’t want my sister or sil to bf to protect their mental health

I'm 65 and my experience with breastfeeding was nothing like you describe. It was lovely, relaxing and my babies thrived. My mum, born in the late 1920's also had a good experience breastfeeding us.

I think I would have gone mental if I'd have to sterilize bottles, warm milk (or whatever the fuck you have to do) all night long.

Fluffycloudland77 · 14/07/2019 15:07

Just deny it if she brings it up.

Oldraver · 14/07/2019 15:08

You've posted about this woman a lot before haven't you ?

I think you need some therapy to help you deal with her

Durgasarrow · 14/07/2019 15:16

The fact is that it doesn't matter whether it is true or not. Gray rocking is correct. Anything that she wants to communicate with you that you don't like?
"That is not a matter that we will be discussing."
"This is not a good subject for me."
"I do not accept that this is a good topic."
"Let us move to a different subject."
"I prefer talking about other things."
"I only like pleasant topics, and that is not pleasant for me."

AmIRightOrAMeringue · 14/07/2019 15:23

I think you need to work on your husband. She cant visit because shes got a nasty infection, so screams about being kept from grandchilden? That's not normal, or proportionate, or fair to a poorly new mother. He should be telling her to but out when she is telling you when to have kids etc

hazell42 · 14/07/2019 15:29

@Livelovebehappy

That was a joke.
Didnt realise I had to spell that out

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 15:45

@blackcat86
It's harder to be on guard in person because I'm quite socially anxious and find it hard to confront people. But when she asks to call me I tell her to text as its easier to grey rock and ignore. She finds a way to be alone with you. Dh insists we go and stay a few nights at her house especially during the holidays. So last Christmas when I was at her house I was washing the baby bottles and dh stayed upstairs with dc, this was her opportunity to get me alone. She talked non stop with the guilt trips and questions. Dh ignores the issues, digs his head in the sand, says I should try harder or says its in the past. Sometimes he will downplay what happens.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 14/07/2019 15:48

Do not tell her personal things about yourself, lie if you must, and try not to be alone with her.

As Above.

Also - if she reveals something you told her, that you don't want people to know, say "What makes you say that? I never said that! You're making it up as you go along."

Or tell her rubbish that can be proven not to be true, and then deny it. It's your word against hers if there are no witnesses.

Gaslighting, and being a manipulative cow can work both ways.

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 15:48

Oldraver posted a few times about her, and then started going low contact and grey rocking her which was working. But her talking about her childhood experiences was a new tactic and I was stupid and shared to much information. Really wasn't expecting it.

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SavingSpaces2019 · 14/07/2019 15:50

She wants to know about everything we are doing, even my private medical matters, and she will divulge other people's very personal information they would not want others to know
So NEVER give her info that you don't want used against you/spread around!

Don't allow her in your home unless your partner is supervising her!

Narcs are master manipulators and now you've experienced how it works.

Longterm you have a DH problem.
Make him responsible for his mothers visits, cooking for her, buying for her, calling her etc.
Don't take responsibility for anything where MIl is concerned.
Anytime she takes the piss make sure you put it all on DH to sort out.
He's never going to 'see' the problem until it inconveniences him and his life.

WhyWouldYouLieAboutThat · 14/07/2019 15:57

Mil told me her mum was a narcissist who dressed her in rags, cut her hair like a boy and called her ugly. And stood by while her dad beat her. So if her mum emotional abused her and neglected her then I have just been thinking why is she so concerned about her mums welfare. According to mil we should go to her house so her mum can see the dc because her mum finds it uncomfortable to travel (just over an hour drive to ours vs half hour to Mils house). And we should visit every Christmas day (boxing day not good enough) because it could be hers mums last Christmas.

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