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AIBU to feel that the ‘Labour against Private Schools’ campaign is a scapegoat for a lack of vision for educational reform?

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BusyMum1978 · 14/07/2019 02:22

2500 UK independent schools with 615K children attending which is 7% of the population of children in FT education up to the age of 16. A number of articles published this week have highlighted the campaign supported by Labour MP’s, who are calling for a number of measures impacting Independent Schools including their complete abolishment, and for these schools to become part of the state school system. A real hatred seems to be forming, and it feels to me like an easy smoke screen to put up rather than the Labour Party providing very specific policies to show how state funded education will be reformed.

I completely understand the feeling behind the imminent appointment of our 20th Etonian PM - there is urgent reform required in politics to have equal representation which I wholeheartedly agree with. I also understand the recently published stats showing accelerated social mobility for those attending top independent schools. I am not saying that there aren’t areas for improvement- but is the objective to bring more children up, or to bring the independently educated 7% down to make it ‘fair’?

My children both attend a prep school, and they are the first generation in both mine and my husband’s family to do so. We aren’t rich, neither of us have a degree, we own one property. We have -and continue to- work hard and made a choice to invest in our children’s education. We know we are privileged to be able to do so. To hear that MP’s want to wage a ‘class war’ with a family like mine feels inflammatory and yet more decisiveness in an already fractured country.

My children started their education in a state primary school but quite honestly it wasn’t good enough, and our heads were turned by what the private sector had to offer.

It equally broke my heart and inspired me to read The Times article on The Willow in Broadwater Farm school. Schools like this desperately need funding and further support, as do a range of children’s services which were cut during austerity. However will abolishing independent schools help a school like this? Parents who have money will still gravitate to the best areas / schools, and get tutors etc. There are a large number of selective state secondary schools that require heavy tutoring to access.

We need to nurture brilliant young minds in this country, to plug the UK skills gap, and compete in a global market. The independent sector has a valuable role to play.

Progress and globalisation is happening at such a rate that it’s becoming a bit uncomfortable. Many jobs our children will do haven’t even been invented yet.

The independent schools could work more closely with the state sector, but it concerns me that this campaign is chasing an ideal, and if successful would just shift the problem elsewhere.

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Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:31

Oh now hold on! In the brave new world just getting rid of private schools would fund all this!

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:32

That was never suggested. Strawman fail.

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:34

That's exactly what is being suggested by Labour Against Private Schools.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 16/07/2019 11:35

Oh, and an hour of team sport for every kid every single day. You are welcome

I would probably have refused to go to school if that was the case. Team sports are already horrible once a week if you are just not sporty. I absolutely loved standing in the cold for an hour while the tall girls threw a ball over my head and refused to pass to me.

Why not more individual sports that all kids can enjoy - gym, yoga, zumba, cycling. Sport needs to be inclusive, not elitist and catering only to those who are good at it. Then again, same for all subjects.

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/07/2019 11:37

They can help by kicking out the permanently disruptive kids, making class sizes smaller and running a huge array of enrichment opportunities after school and at weekends

Your child can’t keep up then go elsewhere. Your child is disruptive because they are bored because the lesson means nothing to them then expulsion. Which is what we have now.

This leaves a whole section of society without an education because they have an SEN or something hasn’t clicked yet.

Look how that is turning out.

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:38

Tough. That's what i want as an ex private school parent chucked back into state. So are we going to help drive up standards or not? Because that's what's being suggested.

You mean...private school parents MIGHT NOT WANT THE SAME THING as the majority of state school parents Shock or, goodness me, they might have ideas that state school teachers don't like?!

Not sounding such a neat idea now, is it?

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:38

"That's exactly what is being suggested by Labour Against Private Schools."

Actually it isn't. I'd go read what the proposals are if I were you.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 16/07/2019 11:40

They can help by kicking out the permanently disruptive kids, making class sizes smaller and running a huge array of enrichment opportunities after school and at weekends

Where are the permanently disruptive kids going to go? Graffiti-ing the local fences, throwing chips at grandmas outside McDonalds and doing petty crime till they cost the taxpayer more money in court cases?

Who is going to arrange the huge array of enrichment opportunities at weekends? Teachers who already work 70 hours a week, have breakdowns from stress then leave after 2 years?

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:40

"Not sounding such a neat idea now, is it?"

Except you are talking gibberish.

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:49

It is perfectly easy to understand.

The idea seems to be that when private school parents have to send their children to state school, their amazing committed moneyed middle classness will push up standards, because they will demand that little Johnny gets a full and rich education.

My requirements are what most private school parents will want.

Do you really think anyone is going to listen? 🤣🤣🤣

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:51

Who is going to arrange the huge array of enrichment opportunities at weekends? Teachers who already work 70 hours a week, have breakdowns from stress then leave after 2 years?

I agree, its impossible. Which is why this idea that an influx of private school kids will push up standards is a joke.

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:52

"Which is why this idea that an influx of private school kids will push up standards is a joke."

Except that it has viability. Parents that are interested and keen will campaign for greater funding, especially those who are in positions of influence.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 16/07/2019 11:53

TBF though, I think some of that is possible. I went to a state school that got lots of private donations (parents basically tutored their kids to get in there so they wouldn't have to pay for private school) - we had a lecture theatre, astroturf, rowing team, croquet on the fucking lawn and school trips to the Arctic, America and Borneo.

Is it that implausible that rich parents/alumni would donate money their child's school?

Xenia · 16/07/2019 11:53

Well if private school teachers can work those longer hours I don't see why state school teachers cannot. Even Staturday was a working day for my exhusband when he started his job at a private school in London and he was in face to face contact time to 6pm every week day. Meanwhile the local comp to my house turf everyone out at 2.50pm! It is hardly credible. Not surprisingly they major in travel and tourism and childcare GCSE

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:54

Why did you need to be tutored to get in?

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:55

Yup everyone out at 3, no weekend school and my ds spent the last week watching films, this week too if I'd sent him in! He cant wait to start private in September!

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:56

"Well if private school teachers can work those longer hours I don't see why state school teachers cannot. "

Private school teachers work fewer direct contact hours, have smaller classes and lighter marking loads.

They don't work longer hours.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 16/07/2019 11:56

I didn't, but I know a lot of people did (it was a grammar school). Which I am also against because I had a shit time there and it was a snobby hellhole, but that's besides the point. The point is that if rich (not super rich that they send their kids to Switzerland) parents had to go to the local comp, would NONE of them donate any money for more enrichment opportunities? Would no alumni donate money? People donate money to their unis and people sure donated money to my school, otherwise I have no idea how they afforded an equestrian team and their own rowing hut.

Oliversmumsarmy · 16/07/2019 11:58

Is it that implausible that rich parents/alumni would donate money their child's school

No. But the school will be a private one abroad not the local state comp.

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 11:58

"But the school will be a private one abroad not the local state comp."

Not on the fees you pay.

ItIsWhatItIsInnit · 16/07/2019 11:58

No. But the school will be a private one abroad not the local state comp.

For the super rich, yes. For your average middle class family, no.

Fibbke · 16/07/2019 11:59

I wouldn't donate money, no.

Kazzyhoward · 16/07/2019 11:59

Parents that are interested and keen will campaign for greater funding

For their own kids' schools, yes, but not for everyone else. It'll just be the ones who have most influence, shout the loudest who'll get more funding. If a school doesn't have any influential parents, it'll just get left behind even more.

sionnachbeag · 16/07/2019 12:01

"It'll just be the ones who have most influence, shout the loudest who'll get more funding. If a school doesn't have any influential parents, it'll just get left behind even more."

Except it doesn't work like that.

As I said earlier, there's a bit of Adam Smith at work here.

Kazzyhoward · 16/07/2019 12:02

Is it that implausible that rich parents/alumni would donate money their child's school

That only works if the school actually has any rich parents. In your typical sink failing comp in a run down town, that's pretty unlikely.

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