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To want a clean bed of my own (at 35!)

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Orchidna · 12/07/2019 22:51

Hello, longtime Mumsnet lurker here. This is my first post.

DH (40) and I (35) are expecting our first baby this autumn. It is a much-wanted baby for us both and we are both delighted about this.

DH is extremely caring in many ways and overall our relationship is a very happy one. I had a difficult pregnancy earlier on and was advised at one point to prepare for the worse, which thankfully did not materialise. As a result of these earlier issues, DH and I agreed that I would not go into a job once my professional training course completed earlier this year. So at the moment, I’m preparing to launch a business within my field, that I can do from home, with young children. DH is therefore taking care of all of the bills, for which I am extremely grateful and I take care to show my gratitude to him.

DH and I are from different cultures – me: British/English. DH is from Eastern Europe. We are very aware of the challenges that our cultural differences have created in our relationship – especially during the first year of living together. Mainly due to differing habits and expectations around meals.

DH and I both purchased properties elsewhere before we met nearly 3 years ago. However, for financial and work-related reasons, we currently live in a furnished rented house, which DH has lived in for around 6 years and which he has been reluctant to move from unless we buy a property in this area. His reluctance to move has been due to financial and practical reasons, as this house has relatively cheap rent for this area (probably due to no central heating upstairs and a bit of a damp/mould problem - mostly under control now). However, he freely admits that he is quite emotionally attached to the house as it holds lots of memories from his bachelor days.

Partly because of DH's work, which often involves lates/nights, we sleep in separate bedrooms. However, even when DH has a day off, we still sleep in separate bedrooms because DH snores (but refuses to see a doctor about it) and his snoring stops me sleeping. When we share a bed on holiday, his snoring is often much better or non-existent - we suspect that this is because a better-quality mattress and bed helps to greatly reduce or eliminate the problem.

As mentioned, the house is furnished. There are two main bedrooms, one with a double divan (which I sleep on, using the mattress that I brought with me when I moved in over 2 years ago). DH sleeps on the kingsize divan and mattress in the other bedroom. We would both like to share a bed, and bedroom. However, DH has been very reluctant to replace one or both beds, as he feels there is “nothing wrong with them”.

Both divans (plus DH’s mattress) are part of the house furnishings and have been here since before DH moved in (he previously shared with a group of male friends, who left one by one to cohabit/get married). So he is the only one left here. DH categorically did not want us to move into a new place together when we agreed to move in together, due to the aforementioned attractions of this house for him.
I brought my own (fairly new) double mattress and metal bedstead when I moved in. However, although I’ve been sleeping in my mattress for most of that time. DH has been very reluctant to replace the existing divan with my bedstead, despite the fact that he never sleeps in that room .

I hate the fact that both divans and DH’s mattress ‘came with the house’, were clearly here long before DH moved in 6 years ago, have definitely been used by quite a few different people (including people neither of us have ever met) and are stained.

I accept that it is DH’s choice which bed he chooses to sleep on. But I firmly believe that it is unreasonable of him to expect me to sleep on his mattress or either divan (even with my relatively new mattress on top), especially when I’m not asking him to spend any money, as my own new bedstead is downstairs in the garage. He is a big guy and has any number of burly bloke mates who would readily help him swap them over. I’ve even said that I’m happy to pay myself for two chaps from a Man With A Van-type outfit to come and do the swap themselves. We have lots of stuff in the garage but room could definitely be created – e.g. we could sell the home gym equipment that DH never uses and which he’s been saying he needs to sell.

Today, I attempted to raise the matter of the divan in my room with DH. I felt I had to do this, as even if I get the ‘Men With a Van’ to do the deed, DH is often at home (or pops in and out) in the daytime/ so it’d be hard for me organise while he’s out.

My experience in raising this with DH today was much the same as last time. He is calm (DH never loses his temper) but I feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall as he doesn’t seem to see my point of view about it, unless I get really upset. Which I did, today.
I’ve tried to explain that it’s really unnecessary and not OK, in my opinion, for a 35 year old woman (with a baby on the way, to boot) to be expected to sleep, indefinitely, on a stained, old mattress slept on my God-knows-how-many people over the years. DH still says he can’t see what’s wrong with the divan, particularly since he and his mother draped a sheet over it a few months ago (so it wasn’t touching my mattress). To me, this still doesn’t make it OK, as the divan is still the same divan and the outside of the base (the part that would be covered with the skirt of a valance) is stained too. It’s just grim!

I’ve put up with the situation for two years. But it upsets me that our baby’s cot will be in close proximity to the divan. DH says he can’t see any problem, as they won’t be touching. Nevertheless, DH balked when I suggested buying clean, good condition secondhand baby items, such as a cot and pram. He said that “everyone” in his country of origin buys new baby things.

I asked DH whether he thinks it would be OK to expect our young child (once they are old enough to need a proper bed) to sleep on an old, stained divan (and/or mattress) – particularly if we had means to buy new ones, or indeed if we had a new one in the garage. I asked him how he thought his future child would feel in that situation, knowing that her DF didn’t want her to have a nice new bed, yet had the means to provide one. DH went quiet at this point. I’m very sure he would want our child to have a new, clean bed divan and mattress.

DH is now saying that we can perhaps look to buy a new kingsize bed and mattress that we can both sleep on. So perhaps what I’ve said has sunk in. However, this whole thing has really upset me, as we have the financial means to buy a new kingsize divan (and mattress) for us both. It just feels that DH can’t be bothered or doesn’t think somehow that I am deserving of what to me is an incredibly basic thing – a clean bed of ones own.

After having it out with him (unfortunately, I was raging), DH said the reason he doesn’t want me to use my own bedstead is because it is black and metal, as aesthetically he doesn’t like it. (Yet we have some of our own black metal furniture items in the living room that we chose together and which he likes).

What makes all of this feel even worse is that DH recently spent over £2K (on 0% finance) on a (big, black) sound system for downstairs, even though the existing speakers still worked OK. He returned the largest speakers, costing £1K for the pair, thanks to some encouragement/pushing from myself, as it was obvious that they were way too large/powerful for our living room. This wasn’t just my opinion – online tech advice websites said exactly the same thing. He agreed he had made a mistake in buying them.

DH says that his standards/expectations around the divan issue would be shared by anybody from his home country (really??) However, I’ve said it’s not at all OK for here.

What upsets me even more is that DH’s property in his home country (which his MIL and FIL now live in, having sold DH’s childhood home) looks like something out of a magazine, or at least the Next catalogue! All nice, new, spotless furniture. DH says this is because it’s a relatively newly purchased/renovated property and he had to furnish it from scratch. DH says though that MIL and FIL wouldn’t have a problem sleeping on old divans/mattresses like we have here, were they in the same circumstances as us (again, really??)

Either way, I have said to DH that the situation with the divan is not acceptable to me and I don’t know anyone (amongst my family and friends, at least) who would be OK with it. As far as I know, it’s something you’d ‘accept’ only if you were in desperate circumstances or had little choice due to accommodation restrictions – e.g. homeless, asylum seeker or student.

DH is now saying that he never said I couldn’t have a new bedstead. If that’s the case, why, over 2 years on from me moving in, are we still having this conversation and I feel like I have to get really upset and angry before he takes what I’m saying seriously? I feel completely unsupported by him on this. To make matters worse, whilst I’ve had a few truly crap relationships in the past, I can’t think of a single ex who wouldn’t have agreed that (particularly post-student days), I need, from Day 1 of moving into whatever property, a nice, clean bed of my own. And I’m sorry to say that I told DH this.

I would be grateful for others’ thoughts on this. Not sure if pregnancy hormones are getting the better of me (hence the rage) or whether DH truly is behavingly crappily on this point.

OP posts:
Orchidna · 13/07/2019 00:42

Butterymuffin

Thanks for your advice re. cot. I thought it was just the cot mattress that you weren’t supposed to get secondhand, due to SIDS risk? My understand was that it’s because many of such mattresses end up being stored in lofts etc and therefore may carry mould. Please correct me if I’m wrong, anyone.

But if secondhand cots themselves carry an increased risk, then we will certainly avoid.

OP posts:
Maitairiki · 13/07/2019 00:53

move your bed into the room you sleep in get rid of old divan and be an equal partner in your relationship - you say what you need so he is aware and then you go and do it. Don’t beg for permission / he isn’t the boss of you.

Orchidna · 13/07/2019 00:55

As for cultural values: my parents are both British but from pretty different backgrounds. DM is from a very small minority group. DF is from a much more mainstream background. I got used, growing up, with quite different values/lifestyles on each side of the family. My parents somehow managed to reconcile those and DH and I have, up to now, had some success with doing the same. Also, DH does not always revert or defer to his cultural background e.g. unlike very many males from his background, he hardly drinks and hates smoking. He’s the only one of his friends like this.

OP posts:
Sugarplumfairyfartface · 13/07/2019 00:56

what? U want a new bed he doesn't u r going mahental about it he doesn't see the issue now he says u can have one? Sorry can't b bothered to reread and check facts sounds like a minor disagreement that has sod all to do with being Eastern European has been blown out of all proportion just buy the fucking bed the removal people will sort it and put he old one in the garage he will be fine with it everyone's happy end of story surely

TwistyTop · 13/07/2019 01:14

Just arrange for the bed to be changed yourself. Don't consult him about it. End of problem.

AllyBamma · 13/07/2019 01:39

Oh my god. At one point I thought this must be a goady post from a troll making us read all that about a bloody mattress!
Seriously OP, just go and buy the sodding mattress you want! You’re a grown up! End of.

BentBaastard · 13/07/2019 01:50

I can’t be bothered to read this

ScruffGin · 13/07/2019 01:58

And you can have a second hand cot, it's the mattress that needs to be new.

ILearnedItFromABook · 13/07/2019 02:42

That dynamic would drive me insane. You've told him that you feel like he doesn't value you because of this and he still didn't just cave in and let you do what you want?!

I wouldn't give in on this point. I'd worry that if you sell your bed/frame to fund the purchase of a new shared bed and he still snores, you'll be worse off than before (no nice frame waiting in the garage). Honestly, if that happened, I'd insist on getting another bed for myself, whether he liked it or not. You're married adults. You don't need his permission to make the house an acceptable home for yourself. He doesn't have to like the bed if it's in your own personal bedroom!

Jemima232 · 13/07/2019 02:55

What worried me, OP apart from the fact that you sound like terribly hard work was that you're blithely planning to launch your own business and WFH with young children

Yes, I know it's possible but have you considered childcare? Children need to be looked after.

Apologies if you've got that sorted. But if it's taken you a bazillion years to discuss and get nowhere with DH with regard to a mundane problem like changing a bed/mattress/bedstead/cot blah blah blah I am wondering who will look after the DC while you're working.

Lancelottie · 13/07/2019 03:07

Christ, I hope it’s not an editing service.

expat101 · 13/07/2019 03:18

Have you not yet learnt that the swift use of elbow remedies snoring partners?

steff13 · 13/07/2019 03:21

Am I the only one who thought a divan was a sofa? Is it a bed?

Jemima232 · 13/07/2019 03:27

@steff13

A divan is a bed with drawers or a solid base under it.

WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 13/07/2019 03:28

@Lancelottie Grin

Jemima232 · 13/07/2019 03:28

Christ I hope it's not an editing service

I was going to write that as my next comment. Great minds, eh?

serialtester · 13/07/2019 03:32

Whatever bed you buy or sleep in, if you ever suffer from insomnia reread your opening post.

IfItIsntYerManRobert · 13/07/2019 03:50

This is quite remarkable.

OP - I'm not sure what you expected MNers to say to you. I mean, other than just ignore him, and buy a new bed. The absolute obvious response.

But, you can't actually have expected us to say that, or you wouldn't have started the thread and provided SO much info in the OP.

Do you really think anyone was going to tell you that you should suck it up, and continue to sleep on a ratty old third-hand bed?? 🤯

julensaor · 13/07/2019 03:54

good luck with the baby, will you buy the baby a new mattress or cut a bit off one of the aforementioned beds?

SolsticeBabyMaybe · 13/07/2019 03:54

Didn't you say he agreed to buy new, king-sized ones? So isn't the issue solved?

thespicegirlsplatformshoes · 13/07/2019 04:03

So trying to take all that in - the jist is he works and you don't, so he's controlling all the money? Not sure why you're with him. Your living situation sounds gross. Old stained beds and mould, but 2k on a electronics.

Gingeraledrinker · 13/07/2019 04:12

Three things op:

(i) DH categorically did not want us to move into a new place together when we agreed to move in together, due to the aforementioned attractions of this house for him.

^ This was the first mistake. Always, if possible financially, move in to a house that is new to both of you.

(ii) if you are married to this bloke and you are having a child with him, and do not feel able, or have the financial means, to go out and buy a bed and mattress without seeking his permission then there is something seriously wrong with the relationship

(iii) ask yourself again op, why do you need his permission?

[As an aside, if you are going to buy a new mattress, then do it asap, because imho it is better to air it and let any factory/chemical smells dissipate before the baby arrives!]

Birdie6 · 13/07/2019 04:33
  1. Make an appointment for your DH to go to a sleep clinic. He is a big man and he snores - sounds like he has sleep apnoea which can kill you. Get it sorted.
  2. Buy a new bed and a new cot / mattress for your baby. Have them placed where you want them by the delivery man or a "man and a van" .3) Tell him about this later. He is a major procrastinator - he needs to be ignored and for you to do things if you want them.
  3. He didn't want to move because he is emotionally attached to his bachelor house ?? Geeze Louise, you'd believe anything. Stop letting him dictate everything based on ridiculous excuses, and move forward.
Blondebakingmumma · 13/07/2019 04:46

I wouldn’t bring kids into a home with Mould. Just buy the bed and tell him it’s coming. I don’t understand why you are waiting for permission

ElevenOhFive · 13/07/2019 09:20

Regarding a secondhand cot - you are correct OP, what @Butterymuffin said is not correct. A secondhand cot does not carry an increased SIDS risk. A previously used mattress does. The advice is to buy a brand new mattress for each baby for the reasons you have stated - the potential for damp or dust when the mattress is stored. The information is clearly set out on the Lullaby Trust website. So please do not worry about buying a secondhand cot, just buy a new mattress to go with it.

As for the situation with your own beds, I agree with PPs that you should just go ahead and change yours without any further consultation with your husband.