House deposit saved up while cheating benefits

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Firstly I want to say I am as left wing as they come, a card carrying member of the Labour Party, and i am in full favour of benefits for everyone that needs them.

But this is an absolute piss take ...🤦🏻‍♀️ I have just found out that someone I am close to, her partner (and father of her children) has been claiming to live at his mums for about 5 years. he's been working the whole time while living with her rent free and living off her income, and a bit of his. They've saved up enough for a house deposit as he's saved most of his earnings and they've just had an offer accepted on a house

I don't want to go in to how I know in case it's in any way outing, because let me be clear I would not want to grass the person up despite how disgusting i find it

I am just very shocked and really want to tell someone but I can't so I'm posting it on here to kind of get it off my chest

The deposit amount is £50,000 btw 🤦🏻‍♀️

(The one positive is it will free up a council house !)

You're definitely not as left as they come. You're centrist at best. Leave them alone. The system is failing people. Everyone deserves a house. Have a go at greedy politicians and corporations etc...other than someone who slightly plays the system that's already fucking them over for wanting to be able to afford a house. Yabvu. Keep your nose out and be happy that your mates who aren't as fortunate as some can afford to buy a house. Everyone should be able to and the fact they even had to do this is wrong. Be angry at that not them. Stop being individualistic and look at the major problems here and take your anger out at them. Not your mates who let's be honest probably aren't rich.

"be happy that your mates who aren't as fortunate as some can afford to buy a house."
Thanks to me paying my taxes.

So what @bellinisurge ?? They pay taxes too- they work too and even if they didn't your worth isn't based on your productivity (and some people work really hard and make fuck all) and everyone deserves a house. You're a sheep if you think we should be fuming about benefit fraud and not corporate fraud, politicians, corporations, capitalism! The royals cost you more! I'm glad their life will be slightly better from what they've done they deserve it! Everyone deserves it.

@bellinisurge eating up what the media which is owned right wing disgusting billionaires are telling you. 'BE ANGRY AT EACH OTHER AND NOT NOT US!' That's what keeps everyone under control and it's vile.

@cheesenalickle

So it's ok to steal tens of thousands of pounds ?

What if everyone did that who couldn't afford a house? Then where would we be?

The housing market and how difficult and expensive it is to buy a home absolutely stinks but fraud and stealing isn't ok

Yeah, right on @cheesenalickle . When you grow up, let us know.

You do realise that the things I've mentioned steal lots more than tens of thousands and a lot of it's legal. You're angry at the wrong people. Leftie my arse. I'm not gonna say anything else because you're obviously lost causes but you should think about it and stop wasting your anger on the little people at the bottom who are just trying to make their lives a little bit better. It's pathetic and sad.

"who are just trying to make their lives a little bit better" by stealing. Who should I steal from because @cheesenalickle says it's ok.

@bellinisurge lol 😂

@cheesenalickle of course corporate fraud / tax evasion annoys me but this isn't a thread about that is it 🤦🏻‍♀️ 🙄

Anyway, You didn't answer my question.... what if everyone who fancied a few extra tens of thousand decided to do what the person in my op is doing? What then?

What do you think a capitalist society is? The people at the top steal labour and resources from the people below in a hierarchy. You think billionaires are justified and aren't stealing from the rest of the world. That logic is stupid but it is just what you've been conditioned to believe by a world owned by the billionaires so it's frankly not surprising. Stop twisting my words and if anyone actually reads this and has any sense they'll know what I mean. Have fun festering in anger at your neighbours and the people slightly less fortunate than you whilst permitting and staying quiet about the massive injustices or our horrible capitalist society (clue's in the name) that is literally killing and has killed millions. Sounds like you've got it all right

I think I'm in sort of time warp. Tedious Trots used to come out with this sort of twaddle when I was at Uni.,

All property is theft, eh? @cheesenalickle

how did they get around the automatic referral to CMS and the subsequent investigation into partner's finances that now happens if they have kids together and are not living together?

I'm a single mum claiming benefits and there's no automatic referral to CMS or investigation in ex partner's finances. DWP don't even know my ex's name. Think there used to be a referral to CSA if you were on Income Support, but that was back in late 90s I think.

When I bought my house they were through out bank statements with a fine toothed comb and wanted to know where every penny came from.

It will be just the DP who is working who is getting a mortgage, and all his income comes from his job so I can't see that the bank would be questioning where the money comes from. He is claiming to be living at his mum's so that would be consistent with being able to save most of his salary.

Think about it, if they get grassed up & one or both of them was sent to prison, either the other one will still be claiming as a single parent or if both get sent to prison then the children will end up being paid for either in care or relations will get benefits to look after them & still cost the state to keep them. It is very hard to prove if he has everything like bank statements, driving licence etc at his mum's address, short of them having an investigator trailing him, he is allowed to go to visit his children. Better to let them buy the house, live together & claim less benefits.

@limeswap yes I'm talking about IS as the OP lists it. The case I recall was much later than the 90s - definitely this century.

The requirement for single parents claiming out-of-work benefits to set up maintenance arrangements using the CSA was lifted in 2008, so over a decade ago now.

What really fucks me off is the men in the equation never get sent to prison.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3622743-Help-me-think-through-this-Benefit-fraud-as-a-feminist-issue

Agreed @HelenaDove it's disgusting 😠

Thanks for posting that. I had missed that thread the first time.

It really sucks that the women are the ones so dependend on the system and the men in their lives of ten get screwed over by one or both.

What really fucks me off is the men in the equation never get sent to prison

It’s the women though that are actually giving the incorrect information and making the fraudulent claims. They are the ones receiving the money. 🤷🏻‍♀️ The forms are clear.

Also, is it true that the men don’t get jailed if they are shown to be complicit in the fraud?
A Quick google gives EXAMPLE 1 EXAMPLE 2. Those examples are a few years old so maybe it’s less common now.

Purpletigers Sat 13-Jul-19 13:31:46
Those telling you not to are probably claiming fraudulently too .

Well I'm not! I worked, am retired now, still pay tax on pension. It would never have occurred to me not to but I was fortunate in many ways. I've had a lot to do with those less fortunate and am usually sympathetic.

I dislike the idea of snitching on anyone unless they have committed a dangerous crime. I wouldn't know if someone was fraudulently claiming benefits, I mind my own business when it comes to the finances of others. However there are times when such knowledge does come to someone's attention whether they want it to or not.

I can tell how this knowledge is worrying the op and I would hate to feel like that. I applaud her for her decision not to report it and sincerely hope this matter will fade in her mind. She would feel much worse if she did report it.