To wonder how you could go on a cruise months after killing your 6 year old Great Grandson?

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Very upsetting article warning.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7218223/Stanley-Metcalfs-parents-relive-told-sons-twin-sister-died.html

On his Facebook there are pictures of him on a cruise holiday months later after he lied about what happened. I find it hard to fathom how any family members are on his side.

The shooting was a totally preventable accident but what he did afterwards was totally despicable IMO.

If he had Dementia Egghead than I very much doubt he would have gone to prison ,when I worked on n dementia care there were a few incidents of assaults,one sexual assaults the patients were assessed as not having capacity to be the responsible for their actions and if he did have dementia than that's even more reason why he shouldn't have access to a gun! Tragic case .

I was going to post about this after the sentencing. I cannot fathom how he only got 3 years, given his total lack of remorse. Poor little boy and his poor parents and twin, how are they going to go with normal lives?

Why would being old mean he must have'suffered greatly'?

Horrible people don't suddenly turn into innocent paragons of virtue and love on their 65th birthday. They're just older horrible people.

It puts me in mind of my mother. Violent and abusive in her teens, twenties, thirties, forties and fifties. But once she got the white hair, suddenly she's seen as a lovely little old lady.

Strange how she still went for me with a garden implement and giggled at my pain (luckily she missed taking my eye out by a whole inch - got a massive shiner, though). But to others, oh, no, she couldn't possibly have meant to do that, she's a sweet, dear, little old lady. Bullshit. She just had another tool to use to get away with it when she said 'no, of course it was an accident, it just fell three feet upwards, flipped horizontal and travelled five foot through the air to get me in the face'.

Same way that wifebeaters don't suddenly become innocent little old men or murderers don't become unreproachable non murderers on the day they pick up their pensions.

Bad, uncaring, violent, neglectful and abusive people become bad, uncaring, violent, neglectful and abusive old people when they get old.

So there is no reason to assume that an absence of grief, remorse or culpability in anything means anything more than they don't feel any of it, irrespective of their age.

Mitzi, I agree. Being belligerent, cantankerous and selfish and showing no remorse are nothing to do with being old.

The great-grandfather had zero gun training it sounds like. All gun owners should know you never point a gun towards anyone you don't intend to shoot. It doesn't matter if it's empty or loaded, you never point a gun towards people.

I wonder if basic gun safety training, even for an air rifle, would have helped prevent this.

The great-grandfather had zero gun training it sounds like.

He knew enough to modify the gun. He knew enough that he wouldn't be eligible for a licence.

He was just reckless, I think.

I try not to judge anyone unless I am prepared to walk a mile in their shoes.
And in this case I'm really not.
So mouth firmly zippered.
Whatever gets them through

DS has a little hand gun that fires plastic pellets that probably wouldn’t hurt much if they were fired right at you. First rule is to NEVER point it at anyone even if you are certain it’s not loaded - it’s a basic that anyone with any type of gun knows.

Did the 'perpetrator' lie about what happened? He surely wouldn't have deliberately shot the little boy.

The story he told the police originally was shown to be crock by ballistics experts. When confronted with this he "remembered" what may have happened to account for their findings. Given everything else about him, I doubt it was the truth.

Come on, even I knew before I ever picked up an air rifle that you never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot - because I've watched TV and movies. You even got told that at the shooting games at fairs or on Brighton Pier.

He was born in 1941, so would have been around people who had served - Cubs, Scouts, School Shooting Clubs, all taught firearm safety. He worked 'on the docks' for want of a better phrase - not the sort of place to find people who have no idea of how to handle weaponry (not a criticism - there would have been plenty of merchant seamen, ex RN, security - surely somebody would have mentioned it at some point in the last fifty odd years).

Gun safety training is pointless if somebody decides they know better - or had completely different intentions.

First rule is to NEVER point it at anyone even if you are certain it’s not loaded - it’s a basic that anyone with any type of gun knows

Ah, but that rule only applies to plebs and idiots. People like the GGF know better, of course.

Why are so many people trying to justify his behaviour with ‘he couldn’t deal with it’ or ‘maybe dementia’ if the latter the trail would have brought this up, you can bet the lawyer would have used this as a defence.

He sees himself as the boss of the family and someone who feels he doesn’t need to justify anything to anyone. The parents said as much after the trial. He doesn’t like to be told what to do.

He is not saying sorry because he is not sorry. I hope he rots in prison.

I had a look at his fb page. He's a nasty old racist gammon bastard.

I had a look at his fb page. He's a nasty old racist gammon bastard.

Yup, I said so on page 1. Doubt I’d have taken my kid round to see him on that basis alone.

God knows what he could have got up to with the white sheets drying on the line...

(What does “gammon” mean?)

I don't understand how he hasn't said sorry to his granddaughter. If it was an accident most people would be besides themselves.

Maybe he has (frontotemporal) dementia?

Or more likely he doesn’t.

You do realise people accused of homicide are examined by psychiatrists?

I don't think he gave a shit. I think from the moment he did it was about saving his own skin and pushing blame elsewhere. My Dad is so like this, anything not to take the blame. He and my mum would insist that that the door to the garden must be left open for the dog to get in and out despite there being an active, autistic three year old staying. One night my ds got out of bed and ran downstairs and out into the garden, was the middle of winter. It was late and he was obviously disoriented. My Dad locked up without checking outside first. Thankfully I was in the habit of checking on ds every couple of minutes minutes due to his autism, found he wasn't in his bed and knew immediately he was outside and got him back in promptly. My Dad started shouting and stamping his feet about how it wasn't his fault, the door needed to be open all day till late because the dog needed it and it was actually mine and ds's fault he got out - his because he was naughty, mine because I didn't discipline my child. Prick. His FB is exactly the same as this blokes as well.

He is despicable and so is the family supporting him. What struck me is that whilst everybody came round to commemorate the birthday of his son who had died years before, him and his wife swanned off on a cruise rather then be with Stanley's parents on his birthday. Can't wrap my head around that one.
He should have got longer in my opinion. He knowing flouted firearms laws.

He lied by first saying he shot must have ricocheted, it was later proven that he had aimed the air rifle at the child @Bluerussian. He is a truly disposable human being.

Please don’t say he has FTD. My father had that form of dementia and was a gentle kind and caring person even when in the grip of it. By the time he had lost real empathy he was bed bound and unable to move.
FTD doesn’t make you callous.

I have been reading about this story with increasing horror. He greatgrandfather pointed the gun at the child then pulled the trigger. He totally denied any wrought doing, and wanted precious time when the child should have received emergency treatment.

He should have been tried for a more serious crime.

He had shown no remorse, no concern for the child immediately after the incident, and no sympathy for the grieving parents.

The family members taking his side are monsters.

Curious how he was allowed to go overseas with a charge of manslaughter against him, the old basket could have fled the country!

I hope he has a thoroughly awful time in prison, not that it could make up for the loss of that poor child, utterly despicable.

His life will be made a living hell in prison. As it is for anyone who kills a child.

The family who are standing by him are a fucking disgrace.

He's a vile human being. This story horrified me, I guess it hits home hard because I have a 6 year old boy too.

How can he not show any remorse? I just can't work it out.