To feel outraged at my friends re charity salaries?

[Pissedoffandbored]

Have a group chat going with a load of my girlfriends. There have been some additions to the group chat this week, some I know well and others are just acquaintances. One girl I don’t know sent a link to published salaries for charities. Girl didn’t know I work for a National Charity in a senior position and slated the amount I earn saying people don’t deserve to earn more than PM. At this point I interjected making her aware of my position and she proceeded to have a go at me. I defended my position but most of my friends agreed I earned too much since I worked for a charity.

So AIBU to be pissed off? Also, is this the general consensus or are my mates just dick heads?

Why not £150k

If the charity brings in £160 million a year is £150k really unreasonable given the CEOs responsibility and skill required to continue and increase that income?

So your money that you donated just goes and sits in a magical pot does it? A portion of it will pay the wages of the employees within the charity to do the charity work

And considering the funding model it should be accepted that people want to scrutinise the wages of employees.

So yeah, you are trying to build a straw man, I suspect with your overuse of emojis you're used to just chasing likes rather than a coherent argument or following the overall conversation?

Earning more than the PM for working for a charity is not reasonable. People give to charity to benefit a deserving cause not to pay inflated salaries. Particularly with the behaviour we’ve seen from certain top charity workers. The whole thing needs looking at. YABU and unrealistic to think most people are perfectly happy with it. I’m a nurse. I couldn’t ever earn that and I’m management. Something isn’t right somewhere......

So they are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont then?
I think people with experience in the sector as best placed to make more realistic comments.
Saying there's no way any donations should go on staff is clearly ridiculous, but equally it's fairly reasonable to challenge anyone who says they are worth every penny of their £150k salary in the charity sector because they're so awesome (especially when the OP hasn't been back to comment on pay differences between them and the front line staff and whether their charity does the things that many large charities do, only going on about how virtuous they are because they could earn more in the private sector).

The people on the group shouldn't have piled in, but I would equally be a bit of anyone in a non profit organisation/sector known for high exec pay and exploiting (in my opinion) front line workers going on about how they sleep soundly because they've turned it round, they're worth every penny and so on.

You aré being unreasonable 100%!!!!!
£150k??? Are you joking??
Hence the reason I don’t donate to charities. They are money making machines for the wrong people!!
I’d rather help someone I know needs my help than pay your wages. Absolutely joke! Hate charities!!!!!

So yeah, you are trying to build a straw man, I suspect with your overuse of emojis you're used to just chasing likes rather than a coherent argument or following the overall conversation

There is no strawman it is exactly what that poster posted.
Oh dear you really are scraping the barrel now by using my emoji habit as a put down....whats wrong petal run out of decent debate already? 🤣😂🤣😉

Interesting thread. OP I don't think your salary is too high but I don't think you'll ever change the viewpoint of those that think otherwise so I wouldn't argue the point, especially with close friends.

Absolutely joke! Hate charities!!!!!

I genuinely hope you never need to go to one for help.

Is this the stupidest post on the thread?

I'm not sure, there's some stiff competition.
Some people on here must have the IQ of a tin of salmon.

Seriously, someone actually said upthread that charities shouldn't be spending money on admin!!! So, who is actually going to organise paying the staff and doing HR, liaising with insurers to cover the buildings, contents, employer's liability, travel cover for staff going abroad, organising office cleaners, getting the leaking loo fixed, booking travel for staff, etc.etc. how does all that get done?

We hear the same bollocks about the NHS, get in more doctors and sack the admin staff. What good is a fucking doctor if the light bulbs in the OR don't work, and there's no one to fix the broken ambulance, and there's no clean instruments or bedding for the patient because no one s employed to deal with that kind of stuff.

People saying "what set of skills are possibly worth £150K a year?" Errr, how about the ability to raise an extra £10m a year.
People on here criticising others high salaries, just because they don't have one, not realising that the stupidity of their posts make it pretty clear why they don't earn good money. Because they are bloody clueless.

Rant over.

Bravo @Lifecraft

Well said Life

@GleefulGlitch oh me too... i dress up regularly as a fairy and other such things in the line of duty. One of the reasons I love it 

@Justanotherlurker um pious?? That wasn't what I intended. I was genuinely trying to assure folk who thought otherwise that some of us in skilled roles working for charities aren't earning a lot. By anyone's standards. Just that.

@CaptSkippy love your post!!

@SootySueandSweeptoo

"lots of larger charities have lost the plot a little - writing to you every week begging for an extra £2.50 a month or whatever, never stopping to consider the cost of the postal spamming! (I cancelled my donation to Shelter for this reason)."

Give me strength! You really think they've never stopped to think the cost of posting?! This is why they pay actual fundraisers...not random people who think they understand Fundraising

So many hours of research goes into fundraising campaigns that looks into all the factors and works out how much of a return a charity is likely to get for their investment. Oh and that will include an allowance for people who think like you and stop their donation because they don't like the cost of a stamp being spent.

If a fundraiser who has a £20k salary brings in £100k a year but a £100k salary fundraiser gets them £1mil a year, who has spent their money better? When you are looking at national or international charities this is even more likely to be the case.

@GleefulGlitch yeap me too!!

I do help a small charity. It’s mainly part in my native village (I know they actively contribute to my community )but the big corporations are a joke...absolute joke! Don’t believe in them because of people like OP

Absolutely! @Lifecraft

User the extra stuff I do outside of my working hours is one of the reasons I love my job. I have worked for a large national charity for the last 7 years and I am very proud of what we achieve and how its run.

I appreciate I only have my charity to go on but I don't doubt some are run badly/make terrible decisions.

NRTFT

I think earning more than the PM is unreasonable. It also makes me think you will have colleagues earning more than £100k. So now I'm thinking about the %£ propping up a head office of what size?

I have worked for a charity previously and the pay at the bottom tier was crumbs, no pension, running on part-timers so no NI, even the mileage was below usual rates. Head office salaries were competitive for London.

Salaries could easily brought down in most charities if the head office was not in London, then no London salaries/weightings. They might need to lobby in London on occasion but you can buy a hell of a lot of train tickets on salaries saved & cheaper office rent by relocating to say an hour further out.

Dawg lover it is PURE greed and there is no excuse. Repulsive. Also can everyone stop saying "skill set" when in reality it is "bullshitting people" .

There is no strawman it is exactly what that poster posted.

Hold on, it was you doing the full on emoji with pretending the thread was about people volunteering shouldn't be paid.

This is not me moving the goalposts.

There is no strawman it is exactly what that poster posted.

Where did the OP mention that people shouldn't be paid when you made this comment?

You know I'm picking you up on this strawman

Those who CHOOSE to volunteer now think much need and required staff should not get paid at all....

Your constant use of emojis doesn't bother me in the slightest, but does highlight the type of user you are, so enter clap emoji here etc.

The overall theme of the thread is about scrutinising of third sector wages, I would bet my house on you being full on outrage emoji when it comes to private sector wages.

Pure greed? To earn more than you deem acceptable? Really have heard it all now.

I dunno, but my experience of working for a well known charity was horrendous. Minimum wage for basically management and business development work which was described as something far more servile. They also employ people on nil contracts for anything lower down the scale but the upper echelons award themselves all sorts of rub-offs.
It's a charity known for honesty and integrity hah ahahaaaa
If you are earning 150k I shall duly puke. But maybe you are amazing, we have no idea.

I work in the aid sector in a team leader role and my salary is £53k. This is lower than other organisations my size. You need people to run the business, there's a lot of work involved in developing and running programmes (not all we do), we're also shaping international policy, laws, resolutions e.g about marital rape, or child marriage. I believe in value for money which means the most effective, which isn't always the cheapest. There's a balance to be had here.

Dra please explain why it is greedy to be paid what appears to be the average rate if not lower end for a CEO of a multi million pound company?
I have asked before but nobody answered other than saying "its a charity".