AIBU to think there is no mandate for a no deal brexit

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The next prime minister should not take us out of the EU without a clear mandate from the people. No deal was not explicitly on the ballot paper in the 2016 referendum. We can't pretend to be a democracy if the people have no say in the potentially most calamitous decision of recent decades.

I should correct my first sentence: The next prime minister should not take us out of the EU without a deal without a clear mandate from the people.

You are 100% correct, there is no mandate. For so many reasons. But one of them was that the Leave campaign specifically said there would be a deal and we wouldn't leave without one.

Yes correct there is no mandate and it’s also madness.

YANBU because the question of a deal or no deal wasn't asked in the referendum. YABVVVVFU to post yet another Brexit thread in AIBU instead of the Brexit topic.

No, there's no mandate, but it's what happens on October 31 if Parliament doesn't pass the agreement. No more negotiations, just boom and we're out.

Or they could revoke Article 50, of course.

@familycourtq

There is no voting function in the brexit topic.

Absolutely. Leave campaign said we wouldn't leave without a deal. May's WA fulfills the criteria. If Leavers don't want it - tough! You don't get to rewrite history. Revoke now.

You don't get to rewrite history. Revoke now.

Well, OK then! Or can you not see that?

Revoke is the only reasonable way forward.

There is No mandate for no deal... And if we crash out it WILL be a disaster... We will have the US creaming off all our services... And within a short time our health service will mimic the US... Where it is unaffordable /uninsurabke if you have a chronic condition and actually need it...

Curious - I'm a remainer but I would have reluctantly accepted May's deal as it DID have a mandate. The trouble now is that so many Leavers are saying that they voted for a no deal. This is demonstrably false. It would not be democratic to press ahead.

The longer this madness goes on the angrier I get with the Conservative party's simplistic Referendum. I will never vote Conservative again in my lifetime. Just how many of the total electorate agree with no deal?

@Bella
That's exactly what we'd need to find out!

The white paper published per the Referendum Act made clear we would try to negotiate a deal in the event Leave won, and we were frequently told about the amazing deal we'd get. I agree (reluctantly) that May's deal had a mandate. YANBU that No Deal does not. If a Leave voter tells you they voted for No Deal, it's clear they weren't really following the Referendum at the time.

I meant do you not see that your statement, quoted, is erm, well, never mind, obviously not!

(calling for a revocation is tantamount to re-writing history - just thought the 2 statements together were daft)

The trouble now is that so many Leavers are saying that they voted for a no deal. Bollocks. Nobody had even thought about deals, no deals etc etc. So many Remainers, so many Leavers, are all making some fairly daft caims, re-writign history left right and centre.

The ONLY truth is that Cameron fucked up and ran away. Since then no politician has acted in a manner ebcoming the offices they were voted into and individuals across the nation have become experts in some very complicated international law.

And now we are reminded that Junckers etc al are leaving the EU as their terms are up! So no politician or bureaucrat has been acting with any integrity at all.

Lets hope that, whatever happens, the next generation aren't as lax with their vote as the current crop are. Lets hope they learn about career politicians... and devise a political crystal ball, so they can drown them all at birth!

I voted Leave and knew that there may well be no deal. I still voted Leave having realised that.

The WA had no mandate as far as I was concerned. The leaflet that the govt sent out pre referendum made it explicit (iirc) that leave meant leaving the Customs Union, the Single Market, the ECJ etc etc. I still voted Leave and would again.

(calling for a revocation is tantamount to re-writing history - just thought the 2 statements together were daft)
I don't think you understand what the phrase "rewriting history" means. It doesn't mean changing your mind. It means falsely claiming that things happened differently. I'm surprised you haven't come across this with leavers - it is bandied around pretty regularly.

Oh please! If you haven't got a sense of humour that's fine. But those 2 sentences do look odd sat side by side!

I'm surprised you haven't come across this with leavers - it is bandied around pretty regularly. That sentence is at odds with your user name, doncha think?

Oddly I don't seem to be able to recognise Leavers, or Remainers, when I pass them in the street. And I don't hassle my friends with political conversation that I know iwl ony cause an argument. We long ago decided that we all want the same thing and see the means to that common end entirely differently. And no, you do not know how I voted!

No I don't know and I also don't understand your comments or "jokes" tbh. But fine, .

For anyone who's interested this thread makes interesting reading:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2667442-So-Leavers-what-happens-Friday-if-you-win-Whats-the-plan-Stan?pg=1&order=

Starts off before the referendum. Plenty of leavers seem to think they are voting for a Norway style deal. This is relevant to the question being posed here.

Thanks for posting that link time. Quite an eye opener to see we have not moved one iota in 3 years...

INobody had even thought about deals, no deals etc etc. So many Remainers, so many Leavers, are all making some fairly daft caims, re-writign history left right and centre.*

Rubbish.

Just look at the official Vote Leave campaign material.

But you’re right that Cameron fucked up and ran away.

Twat (to quote Danny Dyer).

timeforakinderworld I am whiling away a fascinating hour or so reading that thread - it's like going back in time! And full of evidence for things that people deny they knew/thought/expected. Bloody marvelous!

I can't believe that remainers fall for this argument.

As if the only way we would have left is if the EU had given us a deal - don't you get it, the EU really doesn't want us to leave as we're one of the few net contributers. Imagine if they could get their own way (ie forcing us to stay) just by not offering a deal?? Come on.

Effectively that is what they have tried to do, given us a deal that only an idiot would sign up to. So they're hoping that we capitulate, hold another referendum, revoke article 50.

Obviously everyone hoped we would leave on better terms, but Theresa May's negotiating skills have been very weak and the EU has been more belligerent than we hoped. But in my opinion that is more reason to leave - they have shown their true colours, we have not been treated as friends or allies, which we do have elsewhere in the world.

@continuity I meant that few people on either side seemed to think about it. It's one of the reasons it is such an emotive topic.

People are either Leavers or Remainers, Big or Little Endian's and that is that, it seems.