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To ask what makes a good dad?

73 replies

Nuckyscarnation · 25/06/2019 10:50

And also what makes someone a not so good dad? Especially when your children are babies/toddlers?

I don’t think my DH is a bad dad, but O often feel he’s a bit of a so so one. Looking for examples of how much other people’s partners help out. Who’s gets up with them in the morning? Looks after them so you can have time to yourself etc.?

Just bloody knackered at the minute and a bit pissed off. Not sure if I have grounds to be or if I need to give my head a wobble.

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AryaStarkWolf · 25/06/2019 12:07

but this is my point. I KNOW what makes a good mum. Sheer bloody selflessness and putting our children first 110% of the time. I just don’t know if men (or mine at least) are capable of the same?

They are and my DH is but I'm not sure if you can make someone who's not into one that is, if you get what I mean?

Nuckyscarnation · 25/06/2019 12:09

Where would I find parenting courses?

@AryaStarksWolf I understand what you mean. I used to think he would grow and mature, but now I’m starting to wonder. His dad was an uninvolved father and I feel like history is repeating itself.

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CassianAndor · 25/06/2019 12:13

Christ, I don't know! Google is your friend. I've just google parenting courses and my area and a council link was the first thing that came up.

sadkoala · 25/06/2019 12:13

Honestly if you actually have to remind him to do little things like that it's not good.
It's hard with babies especially twins.

My DH works long hours and I'm a SAHM so by default I've always done more as well as night shifts as he was up early and had to be out whereas I could have a bit of a steady pyjama day if it was really bad.

But he's always made sure I'm ok and checked if I need anything be it a long bath or a day/night out . He always puts at least one or both DC's to bed and doea majority of bath times/PJ's . He cooks at weekends 90% of the time or we alternate whilst the other entertains the DC's.
He's also happy to and volunteers to take them out/for a walk etc if I need to get something done.

He's "you wanted babies" excuse is quite frankly pathetic.

NaviSprite · 25/06/2019 12:14

When my twins were very small my DH was not a very involved Dad and he admits this now, that he knew he didn’t do enough. He wasn’t a bad Dad, but the twins were in NICU for the first four months of their lives and when they came home DS was already attached to me the most and DD was on oxygen and a terrible feeder. It could take upwards of 40 minutes just to get her to drink 10-15mls and it was so hard because she was so upset all the time. It terrified him and he was more than overwhelmed. I didn’t admit out loud that it was overwhelming for me too, I adopted the approach of ‘just get on with it’ and he thought that the difference in our attitudes made him an awful parent and so he retreated thinking it was best... it wasn’t!

When we managed to move from a tiny box of a flat to our new house I sat down with him and told him that he was NOT a bad Dad, but I needed him to do more. Now he’s amazing. He just needed his confidence boosting and for me to admit that I don’t find everything easy, that it really is a case of trial and error with them.

He now makes sure that whenever he’s not at work we tag team all the duties and fun parts of looking after the twins who are now toddlers. At first he needed guidance on what I needed him to do, so I gave him particular jobs - now we work in tandem without much effort which is lovely.

A good Dad IMO is one who loves his child/children, who may not get it right straight away but is willing to learn and improve (just like we Mummy’s do) and who will listen to the Mum when she says she needs more ‘help’ (I know DH is not just help as he’s their Dad but it’s the best word I could come up with!).

I’ve found from personal experience that Mums can’t help but feel a little resentful towards their partners in the first year of DC’s lives - we’re sleep deprived, stressed and feel like we never get a chance to just stop being ‘switched on’ for 5 minutes. If your DH is a good man and you can have an open conversation with him, think of what he can do to give you the support you need.

For me it was the following:

If DH woke up first to baby (babies in my case) crying for feeds then rather than wake me up to sort it, he needs to get his arse out of bed and get stuck in (especially at weekends!)

Two evenings during the week DH needed to take the helm completely with DC for an hour or two and let me get a bit of headspace. Even if all I did is have a nice bath and come back and join in, DH was to take care of immediate needs and tell me when I was needed to assist.

Saturday he gets a lie in (no later than 10am) and Sunday I get a lie in. Doesn’t mean we always take them, but that’s the deal.

If in doubt - ask. I don’t have all the answers, neither does DH, but one asking the other doesn’t make one the inferior parent. It’s about working as a team to make sure our Twins are as well cared for as we can offer.

Keep an eye out for jobs that need doing. Rather than adding a plate to a small pile of washing by the sink. Wash the pots. If laundry is piling up, stick a load in etc.

Just those little bits and pieces lifted a load off of my shoulders.

My DH was terrified of getting things wrong, wanted guidance and sad to say; praise for getting it right in the early days. So I did that (even though it did irritate me somewhat to congratulate him for doing something I’d done 100 times already 😂).

AryaStarkWolf · 25/06/2019 12:19

Oh and in regards to his "you wanted the babies" comment, unless you two sat down and decided that he would agree to it as long as you agreed to doing everything for them then this comment is meaningless. If he agreed to go ahead, then he can't change his mind now they're here

NaviSprite · 25/06/2019 12:43

Sorry OP posted my response and didn’t see the updates whilst I was typing! I’m so sorry you’ve tried talking to him and he doesn’t seem to want to shift out of his comfort zone without being pushed - my DH was a little bit like that to begin with, it didn’t truly improve until the twins became a bit older.

Is there a chance for a half day where your DH can be left to look after them by himself? Seems a bit extreme and can be extremely worrisome (was for me) but I found the only way to get my DH to truly appreciate how much work went into looking after our twins was to drop him in at the deep end (like we were!) he loves our DC so I knew he wouldn’t just lounge about whilst they were in need, but he would often leave it to me if I was there.

If you trust your DH loves your DC, even if he doesn’t get as stuck in as he needs to, maybe you can try the same? I didn’t go far on my day and kept my phone on at all times in case I was needed. I expected my DH to call within a couple of hours, but he managed a good stretch and when I got home the twins were content and he was a bit frazzled but he had actually enjoyed spending the time alone with them.

He did get a bit smug and throw the old “don’t know why you find it so hard” comment out. So I calmly explained that he’d only had a few hours, I was there 24/7.

blackteasplease · 25/06/2019 12:56

Love and putting your kids needs first (so selflessness or just more love!)
It is the same as what makes a good Mum as others have said.

Love for the Mum - to make sure she isnt ridiculously over burdened. Love for the kids of course.

Livpool · 25/06/2019 13:38

Well not helping out or babysitting - my DH is my DS son's father and he doesn't do this. He co-parents with me.

That makes a good dad

CassianAndor · 25/06/2019 13:41

not helping out or babysitting

fathers don't babysit their own children.

Stompythedinosaur · 25/06/2019 13:49

I think that good dad's love and are interested in their kids, and they understand that they are equally responsible for all areas of looking after dc, including housework and the mental load.

Lweji · 25/06/2019 13:49

I imagine that he was on board with the babies because he assumed they'd be your responsibility.

Short of taking off for a few days and leaving them in his care or actually LTB, I don't know. It's not like you're going to let your babies hungry, dirty or unattended for half the time he's at home, are you?

Is there anything else he can take full responsibility over to compensate? Say, cooking, shopping or cleaning?

I do think that we should always be prepared to leave our partners if the relationship is not good enough.
What are your boundaries here? He should be aware that he has a choice between living with a family that he's part of, or losing that family.

EmeraldShamrock · 25/06/2019 13:50

It sounds like he is lazy, uninterested and unlikely to change.
DP is a great dad, The best bit for me is the relationship he has with the DC.
I love how they all have shared interests.
He is a good provider and very helpful in the house, I'll be honest out of my parents 4 daughters, he is the only one who is really hands on, my DSIS DH's are useless at family stuff. My DM always said she'd have loved to marry a nice man like my DP. Blush

Stompythedinosaur · 25/06/2019 13:50

I don't for a second imagine your dh can't look after your babies, he presumably has full use of his body and a passing level of intellect? Then he can, he is choosing not to.

riotlady · 25/06/2019 13:56

He needs to have them on his own sometime, OP.

My daughter is 15 months and I’ve been on nights out, weekends away, etc. Her dad is just as capable of looking after her as I am. We share nursery drop off and pick up, we both feed her and play with her. I do bedtimes but that’s only because he’s a better cook than me so he makes tea while i put her to bed!

notso · 25/06/2019 13:59

DH never has twins on his own. He can’t manage them, or at least he couldn’t when they were little. Now my mindset doesn’t even factor in him looking after them alone.
What exactly happened when he had them on his own for you to feel like this?
When DH had DC1 for the first time on his own she screamed her head off the whole time and he didn't really know what to do, it was before we had mobile phones so I was oblivious. I didn't think that was him not managing with her though. It certainly didn't stop me from leaving her again.

Nuckyscarnation · 25/06/2019 14:17

@notso They both just cried and cried and he got that stressed he couldn’t cope with it.

The last time I left him with them was two months ago. I had a driving lesson and when I came back he was stressed to bits and shouted at me for sitting outside too long with my instructor.

It’s like things just don’t compute. He came upstairs to see them when they woke from nap and changed one nappy. It was lunchtime, but he NEVER makes any attempt to make their food. I had to make it and then he sat there watching me feed themConfused He does that all the time then accuses me of taking over!

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Lweji · 25/06/2019 14:19

Well, what are you prepared to do about it?

notso · 25/06/2019 14:35

Him getting stressed isn't a reason not to leave him with them though. I'd bet my life savings you've been stressed out looking after them on your own at some point.

I consider my husband a fantastic Dad but he does things completely differently to me. He has different priorities and different skills.
He had to learn some things the hard way and I had to learn not to expect him to be me when I wasn't there.

ChesterDrawsDoesntExist · 25/06/2019 14:39

A good dad in my view is one that knows all about his kids lives. Their likes, dislikes, habits, school times and school work, hobbies, friends etc. Basically a good dad is one that knows as much about their kids as mum does.
He also doesn't "help out". He doesn't "babysit". He's their dad so he parents them.

When DH was working daily shifts he still came home and dealt with the children. Now he's on different shifts he does even more as he's working less days but concentrated hours. So if he's not working, he's parenting. Just like I do.

Lweji · 25/06/2019 14:43

A hands on dad doesn't get stressed to the point of shouting at the mother for taking care of the children for an hour or two.

Lweji · 25/06/2019 14:44

ExH wasn't great, or a fantastic dad, but I thought nothing of leaving in charge of DS when I needed to travel, go to the shops, or even work.

paddlingwhenIshouldbeworking · 25/06/2019 14:45

A man who thinks about being a good husband/partner when the children come along will usually be a good Dad.

If you really care for your children's mother as well as your children then you wouldn't be able to watch one person take the brunt of everything and will automatically step up and be an active and involved parent. The rest follows I think.

(it took my DH a little while to become a good husband & Dad so no smugness here).

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 25/06/2019 14:47

much other people’s partners help out.

A good dad doesn't help out. A good day does what needs doing when it needs doing. Same as a good mum. You can't 'help' parent or babysit your own kids.

crosser62 · 25/06/2019 14:48

I knew from that positive test that he was more excited than me.
From day 1, devoted, adores them, his life evolves around them completely.
He won’t take anything on if it in any way compromises his time with them.
At every sports day, parents evenings, taught them to ride bikes, they are in the garage pottering with him all the time, just goes off to the park/soft play/bmx track/trampoline place with them when I’m working and he is off.
He knows significant dates of stuff and reminds me of them.
He talks about them all the time.
Initiates, persues , introduces them to hobbies and takes them on enthusiastically and with such pride.

They adore him, sit snuggled with him on the sofa, first thing ds 1 asks when he walks in is “where’s dad?” “What time is he home from work?”
They text each other loads.

He is a much much better parent than I am, hands down.
Thank goodness.