To think we need a campaign to improve morals?

[jennymanara]

To think we need a campaign to improve public morals? I know I sound like Mary Whitehouse, but public morality does seem to be in decline.

I have changed how I see things a bit since having dc. It wouldn't bother me seeing a couple have sex where children wouldn't be expected to see it, late at night. Same for fetish clothing. But I really do object to any sexualised photos of women or even tasteful photos of women in underwear (because it does objectify) in full view of children in garages and newsagents on billboards - everywhere - and I think the law should be feckin' changed.

As a society we are certainly losing, manners, empathy and caring.

wearing fetish gear in public - never seen, except as a joke

sex in public - already illegal

men looking at pornography on trains, etc. - seen once in my life and already pretty socially unacceptable

Are these big problems in your life OP??

YABU Maybe if you didn’t hang around in those places where apparently people are wearing fetish gear and banging in public.... this doesn’t happen everywhere...

I object because I'm a lesbian. Loads of people have objected to my very existence on moral grounds.

I have seen fetish gear worn in public, as part of pride. Not on day to day. Nor seen sex in public. Nor people watching porn in public. I have been flashed. But then that is illegal. Like sex in public.

My morals are likely to be very different to yours op. I spent enough of my life thinking I was amoral for simply excusing

I remember when sleaze was a thing and it lost John Major's Tories an election. I wish that level of scrutiny of those in power was brought back and a semblance of decency was required for powerful office. And a level of honestly that's a bit higher than through the floor.

Sadly it's fairly obvious that sleaze only mattered when Rupert Murdoch decided it did because he was backing Blair at the time.

I also think the internet is making people more rude and intolerant. It confirms and amplifies your biases very easily and people get used to taking pot shots at each other on social media.

I've had the bad luck to see people having sex in the back row of a cinema where I worked. The only other people in the showing were a mum and small child. We also once had to kick a man out for wanking. And I've seen people having sex in a park at school home time. So it does happen!

I think the OP's examples are a bit extreme but I get where she's coming from. Even just something like tons of cyclists on the pavements, people seem more and more self centered.

I’m sick of hearing that ‘judgement’ is some kind of terrible crime. It’s kind of what holds society together. Would I really be expected not to judge people if I saw them having sex in public (weird example but let’s go with it) or is it not incumbent on people to have a bit more respect for each other? Would I have to be ok with someone wearing fetish gear on the train? I was uncomfortable with some guy removing his socks and shoes on the train earlier fgs.

I don't agree with the ops moral crusade but,I agree society has lost its way.

Let's not forget one of the most popular shows mostly women watch(it isn't men) is love island which is so messed up morally is unbelievable.

Principles, yes. Morals, no.

@jennymanara i agree with you 100% morals have gone out the window and its acceptable, its just not sex, parent's letting there daughter/son sleep together under there roof, its a lot of thing's discipline, manner's, i had a 9 year old boy tell me to F**k off when i told him to get off my garage roof, society is going mad i'm afraid i'm glad my two DD's are grown adults wouldn't like to be bringing them up now,

I meant sleep with there partner's

I'd love to see some compassion being taught - especially to those who paint people fleeing war and risking their children's lives, as the boogeyman man to distract from the weighted system that lines their own pockets. I'd love a little insight from our leadership into how we are screwing over ourselves and our children for short term gain. I'd love some integrity from any politician - who seem so divorced from working for the public good they are now locked in a death spiral to the bottom. As for the sex stuff, a bit small potatoes in the grand scheme of how utterly fucked everything is.

I'd love to see some compassion being taught - especially to those who paint people fleeing war and risking their children's lives

I hear a lot of politicians pontificating about compassion for those in such situations - but not much compassion or justice for those people already here, born here, working all the hours god sends and struggling mightily.

happyhillock

I think it’s very important we don’t confuse consensual sex between legal individuals with a lack of morals.

Some people agree with OP about fetish wear.

to think it's not OK to let kids take part in adult fetish?http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3619702-to-think-its-not-OK-to-let-kids-take-part-in-adult-fetish

The Tory “little list” was in 1993 so rather more than 15 years ago. I agree with you, OP, but I’m old so my opinion obviously won’t count.

Sex in public is already illegal and like a host of stuff, like assault theft etc still happens. I haven't seen anyone having sex in public, may be my town is rather dull.

Ditto fetish gear....not round my way.

Viewing porn on train, I've not seen it but listening to music on a mobile, without head phones is enough to get me fuming.

So because a few people have claimed to have sex in public on mumsnet, there's suddenly an epidemic?

@happyhillock

When my son and his partner of five years come to visit, they sleep in the same bed. I'm clearly leading this country to hell in a handbasket.

By the way OP, do you have any kind of statistics that suggest these kinds of crimes are increasing or did you just read about a couple of instances in the daily mail?

As for Mary Whitehouse, is this the same woman who didn't want the horrors of war to be shown on television in case it encouraged pacifism? Or banned artists she like such as Alice Cooper from performing on TV, campaigned against the horror that was Doctor Who, successfully sued a gay magazine for libel and compared homosexuality to a disease? Not someone I'd want to emulate.

Please don't confuse morality with censorship or bigotry.

@Evaunit1 im not talking about couples who have lived together for year's, im talking about girlfriend/boyfriend who still live with there parent's and are just going out together and there parent's allow them to sleep together, i question was about moral's, if you dont teach your children moral's no one else will.

and there parent's allow them to sleep together, i question was about moral's, if you dont teach your children moral's no one else will

But you’ve still not explained why consensual sex is displaying a lack of morals?

Not sure if morals are in decline, however I do think that respect for other people and their property seems to be declining. So many people seem to live in a little "me" bubble with no concept of other people. Doesn't mean being a doormat, or not being assertive when needed, just a bit of thought for other people around you.

@IsabellaLinton they have no compassion for anyone it seems, it doesn't matter where you are born

What do you mean wearing fetish gear in public? I've never seen anything like that before

I do all the time, why just today at the bus stop, I saw a women in high heels!