Man-handling climate change protestors

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Anyone else watch with horror as a climate change protestor was forcefully removed by Mark Field from the Mansion House speech? I mean, I'm no fan of political activism, 'direct action' and so on, but she wasn't presenting him with any direct threat, just shouting and being annoying. AIBU to think that his behaviour was totally unacceptable there?

Haha, Mummy2017, very good. Your troll cover is blown though. Are you ... Mark Field, by any chance?

Got to say, I didn’t think a genuine poster could have such an unimaginative name.

I don't think you were watching the same video as anyone else.

Anyway this one is definitely going to end up in court, so in due course we'll know if it's assault in the eyes of the law.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48717002

@cinnamontoast

Always happy to oblige, second time on this thread, his name is Eric Boskind and described as a law lecturer.

( I would urge you to look at the video again, try and be dispassionate and look at the point where the trespasser
turns and has a second go at getting past Field, it's only then he takes hold of the back if her neck. Her cause may be a noble one but it does not give her rights to disturb a private event)

Why did this tresspasser not leave with the other 39 of her colleagues when asked?

Been here for ages...
In law this is how it would be stated...
I just think it is unfair that she premeditated action are being presented as forgiveable.
If he is a wife beater, I think she could be a trained assassin.

cinnamontoast

Buster72 please provide a link to the legal opinion from the law lecturer at Liverpool University.

This one I think ...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48717002

If he is a wife beater, I think she could be a trained assassin.

What an ignorant thing to say. She did nothing but walk past him with a purse and phone in her hand. Whereas he displayed behaviour that many of us recognise. You are fortunate you do not. The comparisons to an assassin are stupid and baseless, his behaviour is far different.

You are making judgements about him that at this point are without foundation.. or proof... Manhating...
Hence my tongue in cheek about the assassin.

Maybe he didn't see that she appeared unarmed until he had manhandled her. Or was he just full of blood lust because he looks like a wife beater 

Ok so he thought her phone was a gun or a detonator, very stupidly in that case, pushed an armed woman against a pillar doing nothing to disable the actual threat, realised it was just a regular phone, then felt the need to remove her still, in way of putting his hands on the back of her neck and forcing her out. So assuming he believed she was a threat at first, his actions after he realised she wasn't where still assault surely.

I just realised how much man hating there is in this thread.

Ah, so now we get to it.

Won't someone pleaz tink of de menz?

Well the woman with the bruises probably hates the man

Some of the impassioned defences of Mark Field make me wonder what kind of relationships some people are living.in. They recognise their husband in this man but if they admitted the truth, that he assaulted her, they'll have to admit the truth about their own partner and their own life.

Has anyone mentioned that he's the one who grabbed Jeremy Hunt's wife and planted a kiss on her? Apparently they're all friends so it was ok . I certainly wouldn't have been ok with a friend of my dh doing that.

@Calloway sorry but that is a crazy assumption to make.

As far as I know @mummmy2017 is a fairly old hand on MN. Crossed swords a few times over Brexit.

@Calloway , what a ridiculous thing to say.

I have helped 3 friends get away from blokes who beat them...
It is unfair to use this word simply because this woman's actions lead to her removal.

Calloway, yes - for a woman to defend Field’s behaviour indicates a pretty skewed view of male/female power relationships.

Deserving and undeserving victims in your book then, Mummy2017?

Violence is not okay.

She knew what she was doing...
Your confusing an innocent bystander with an active participant...
Not the same thing.

Continuing to equate this with domestic violence and then suggesting that anyone who views this as a security issue is a victim of and condoner of domestic violence-pretty ridiculous.

dressed up to cause herself to be seen

WTAF. Fucking women, wearing clothes and shit.

If he genuinely thought she had a weapon, what good was it doing grabbing her by the neck? Her hands were still free, so she could have grabbed the weapon and used it. It would have made more sense to grab her hands. He didn’t look like a frightened or concerned man, he looked absolutely furious. That’s not someone that was concerned about this woman causing harm, that’s someone who has the ‘how fucking dare you!” attitude.

well, doing something may be better than doing nothing. QV United Airlines Flight 93.

@cinnamontoast

Or an understanding of tresspas and using reasonable force.

I get your passion around domestic abuse and misogyny, but this ain't it.

She had intent towards Hammond...

Why do you keep repeating this statement about her having intent, mummmy? We know she had intent - to give him some papers and talk to him. So what?

The first time I saw the video, I thought she had something in her hand and she was heading for Hammond.

But then, you didn't see her close up. , and I'm prepared to bet you didn't know that she would have had to go through tight security so couldn't have had a weapon. So, again, so what? Lot of other people who saw her close up left her alone and clearly didn't think she had a weapon or any intent to attack.

headed in an agressive manor towards Hammond, when stopped from reaching her goal she resisted and tried a third time while being removed....

No-one else apparently thought she was aggressive enough to need to stop her, and Field himself obviously decided it was perfectly safe both to leave her arms and hands free, and to let her go when they are outside. And what you can see in the video is her trying to escape from the man assaulting her, which is is perfectly entitled to do.

But do carry on ignoring reality, won't you?

Gth1234, doing something obviously isn't better than nothing if you genuinely believe someone to be a threat when that "something" includes leaving the allegedly threatening person's hands free - if anything, it may provoke them into using their weapon.

Of course, in this case it wasn't a problem because Field knew perfectly well that she wasn't a threat.