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Man-handling climate change protestors

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Leafyhouse · 20/06/2019 23:17

Anyone else watch with horror as a climate change protestor was forcefully removed by Mark Field from the Mansion House speech? I mean, I'm no fan of political activism, 'direct action' and so on, but she wasn't presenting him with any direct threat, just shouting and being annoying. AIBU to think that his behaviour was totally unacceptable there?

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Caucho · 21/06/2019 22:00

I’d love it if the likes of Owen Jones acting outraged on Twitter equally condemned attacks on lesbians by aggressive TRAs or wrong thinking people like Farage getting milkshaked but when that happens it’s all a big laugh and giggles. They deserved it, people have a right to protest......then suddenly if you don’t agree with me you are a Nazi. Actually worse. David Lammy didn’t go far enough comparing Jacob Rees Mogg (yes that weird out of touch 100 years out of date eccentric posh boy) to Adolf Hitler. Ok dude. And you wonder why working class Northerners like me aren’t big fan of Corbyn?

Would vote for Labour in a heart beat if they stuck to their roots rather than obsessing about identity politics and Israel/Palestine. Union members pay their subs for better working pay and conditions for themselves and others in the UK, not to prance around about trans rights and how bad the government of (eg) Congo is getting on

IcedPurple · 21/06/2019 22:28

No need for the 5th rate rant 'Caucho'. Your agenda was loud and clear some time ago.

Gilead · 21/06/2019 23:27

Fucking disgusted at the amount of women on here condoning male violence.

Alsohuman · 21/06/2019 23:37

Yup.

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 21/06/2019 23:37

Fucking disgusted at the amount of women on here condoning male violence.

Hello Gilead,

It would really help if you didn't conflate this incident with male violence. You really are not doing that particular cause any favours by doing so.

Caucho · 21/06/2019 23:38

Yay. I’m a plant or Russian bot. Not going to be silenced though. And what’s my agenda? Anti Corbyn? Too right. I’m not pro Boris either though who is a right shit show

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 22/06/2019 00:19

I was accused of being a sock puppet, I thought it with sounded like quite a nice toy for my daughter! (I had to look it up Grin)

Ladymargarethall · 22/06/2019 07:21

DS has an SIA licence and trains door staff.
His take on it is that it was reasonable and necessary force as he perceived her as a genuine threat. He thought it was executed quite well for a man with no training.
No doubt this video will be discussed a lot by people in the security industry.

bellinisurge · 22/06/2019 07:23

I presumed he was as acting out of training too @Ladymargarethall , although he missed the lesson about properly assessing the situation and the risk.

Alsohuman · 22/06/2019 07:40

Oh well, as long as a man thinks it was fine we’ll just forget all about it, shall we? Especially a man in an industry famed for its sensitivity.

Mistigri · 22/06/2019 07:47

I presumed he was as acting out of training

His training to be a solicitor, you mean?

You'd have thought that his training as a solicitor would have included crriminal offences like common assault.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 22/06/2019 07:50

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Alsohuman · 22/06/2019 07:52

Of course it is. I’m astonished that women are defending him.

Mistigri · 22/06/2019 07:54

Plus I know where this was and they'll have been through security including bag checks. There was zero chance of her having a deadly weapon.

I don't really understand the debate over this tbh. Man with poor impulse control and some dodgy attitudes to women has a few drinks and assaults a woman who annoyed him. He got away with it at the time because of who he is and where it happened, but fortunately someone took a video.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 22/06/2019 07:55

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Mistigri · 22/06/2019 07:57

Facts are protesting publicly isn’t the same as breaking in / through deception at a private event.

They didn't "break in". In fact unless they damaged something or threatened someone I doubt they committed any offences at all (trespass is a civil matter).

bellinisurge · 22/06/2019 07:57

Assume you missed the bit where I said he didn't pay attention to the training about assessing risk. All MPs are now offered training in personal protection. What with some of them being assaulted or murdered.
But if you want to say I am condoning the beating of women, go ahead.

Mistigri · 22/06/2019 08:01

All MPs are now offered training in personal protection.

Defensive training.

If this training is received by all MPs, how come no one else assaulted a protestor? There have been far more threatening recent incursions at events attended by MPs including a large and very angry man at Esther McVey's campaign launch - who was not touched by any MP present.

I am absolutely certain that MP's personal protection training will also include training on what constitutes a legal reaction by an individual to a perceived threat. (But Field as a solicitor will have known the law on self défense anyway).

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 22/06/2019 08:02

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Alsohuman · 22/06/2019 08:06

I wish that hadn’t made me laugh @smilethoyourheartisbreaking.

bellinisurge · 22/06/2019 08:07

@Mistigri . He shouldn't have done it. But security people should have been on it more quickly and professionally.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/06/2019 08:37

Can I remind people that back in April he wrote a letter to the Met Police asking them to be firmer with climate change protestors. He has an issue with them and he decided to assert his 'authority' because he felt that no one else was taking what he thought was appropriate action. His violent reaction was totally inappropriate.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 22/06/2019 08:38

said letter.

Man-handling climate change protestors
Man-handling climate change protestors
bellinisurge · 22/06/2019 08:46

But smaller businesses were disproportionately affected by city wide protests in London. And he's a Tory so it would be natural for him to complain about the impact in businesses.
I don't see that this letter marks him as a person who beats his wife and wants to beat up any protester he sees.

Alsohuman · 22/06/2019 08:50

Nobody said he beats his wife ffs. He attacked a woman. There’s filmed evidence of it. Why is this even up for debate?