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AIBU to think I haven’t been groomed and adult women are capable of reaching our own conclusions

80 replies

HermioneWeasley · 18/06/2019 17:37

Also, what was the point of Ed coming on here for a chat, if he doesn’t value our opinions or want our votes. Cockwomble.

AIBU to think I haven’t been groomed and adult women are capable of reaching our own conclusions
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JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 18/06/2019 18:43

Where can I find his thread?

sackrifice · 18/06/2019 18:44

I haven't even got hair. No 2 all over.

Oh hang on, I haven't even got kids!

Fuck.

HollowTalk · 18/06/2019 18:47

@AlunWynsKnee Yes, "Aimee" is a hell of a clincher.

DuchessSybilVimes · 18/06/2019 18:48

Yep, that's cemented my opinion about the Lib Dems. Bunch o' cunts. Who don't care about the cunty-type of women, just the penisy type. Not getting another vote from me, not ever, no way, no how.

Best go talk about babies on another thread now before I accidentally stop being a woman.

TeamUnicorn · 18/06/2019 18:48

The question remains though are we allowed to discuss blue and pink prams? I fear if we do we may end up being easily led astray.

2018SoFarSoGreat · 18/06/2019 18:51

I tried to tweet FUCK OFF YOU PATRONIZING COW but my poorly groomed hair got in the way.

Laura Gordon. Shame on you.

Aimily · 18/06/2019 18:52

I'm so confused as to where grooming comes into this forum at all?
Pretty sure we have open discussions and then form our own opinions whether we agree with eachother or not?
I'll admit happily that I've had opinions changed and my thoughts challenged by things I have read, but that's because I've seen another point of view not that someone has forced me...

LimeKiwi · 18/06/2019 18:54

Not seen the thread, but from that screenshot you've put I'm kind of agreeing, has anyone seen the earlier threads today called use of trans identified males?
I've been thinking it for a while and there does seem to be an undercurrent that's hard to pin down and people have started to see it as the threads I've just mentioned showed.
It's interesting it's started to be talked about.
NOTE I agree that most of the Mumsnet posters are lovely but there's an undercurrent that when you see it, it's like Shock Sad
Seeing as this is in AIBU and you're presumably asking AIBU...
I think in a way, yes.

Mammajay · 18/06/2019 18:54

Can I ask some questions.. And please don't rant at me. Is it that you can choose your gender..as in be a woman but do stuff generally more considered a man would do e.g wear blokes clothes? You can't choose your sex..but if you are transitioned you can change your sex?.so a male who chooses to live as a woman is still a man so could shop in a womenswear shop, but not use the woman's changing room. If he had transitioned, he could use spaces normally women only use as he is now legally a woman? But Ed was saying a man, dressing as a woman can use for e.g a women's loo??? I need educating.

LimeKiwi · 18/06/2019 18:55

I do think groomed is maybe the wrong word though, was the poster going for radicalised or something?

Divebar · 18/06/2019 18:57

Firstly, I can understand why they’re arguing that there’s transphobic content on MN but even though I don’t agree with some of the comments on here I don’t consider it grooming. People are free to post their viewpoint and other people are free to disagree and present an alternative opinion. Grooming suggests a vulnerability or naivety which is incredibly patronising. Secondly, the suggestion that we’re only here for the babies - it’s almost like they’re unaware of how many fucking million people use this site every month. They’re not even bright enough to pay lip service to it. ( NB. There’s nothing wrong with seeking advice about babies in any event... we’re all winging it )

DuchessSybilVimes · 18/06/2019 18:57

a man, dressing as a woman can use for e.g a women's loo???

Yep. And access ANY and ALL female-only spaces. Hospital wards, prisons, toilets, changing rooms, girl guide camps, sporting competitions, scholarships, EVERYTHING. Based on nothing more than a "because I say so".

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 18/06/2019 19:00

"Caused to notice what is going on" might be the right way to put it.

Actually, I am very strongly reminded of PIE in the late seventies, pushing an agenda and saying that anyone who asked any questions at all about what they were advocating was bigoted.

BeyondOverTheMoon · 18/06/2019 19:00

MN does have its own radicalisation portal...? ...

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 18/06/2019 19:02

Thanks for link throckton

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2019 19:02

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3614469-Webchat-with-Ed-Davey-Lib-Dem-leadership-candidate-on-Tuesday-18-June-at-1-30pm?pg=1

Ed's car crash of a webchat here.

Oh Laura, Laura, Laura... The internalised misogyny is strong in this one.

As for you Ed, well, Stonewall (so not a source carefully commissioning a polling firm to give them a right-wing answer) conducted a survey. 80% of the British population don't believe transwomen are women. Most (because despite the clusterfuck that is Brexit, we remain at heart a fairly laid-back, tolerant nation) have a live and let live approach of "we'll politely pretend."

But that polite pretence will get dropped PDQ when more and more Karen Whites end up in women's prisons (they aren't "rare", Ed dearest - FPFW did a series of FOI requests coupled with research into official prison statistics, which revealed that over 40% of the prisoners in the male estate currently identifying as trans are banged up for sex offences - i.e. in the male prison population, trans-identifying prisoners are actually more likely to be sex offenders than a randomly selected member of the male prison population. Incidentally, this doesn't mean that geniunely trans people are more likely to be sex offenders - the overwhelming probability is that the blokes in prison are just a load of chancers who aren't trans at all but are trying to get an easier ride in a women's prison/access to a literally captive pool of potential victims. Just as the professional body of psychologists dealing with prisons told Maria Miller would happen during her select committee hearings. Which she then ignored and pushed for self ID. Just like you're doing).

That live and let live attitude is going to evaporate PDQ when more and more parents have to watch their talented sporting daughters edged off teams and off training programmes by male-bodied teens (as is already happening in the US).

The shit's really going to hit the fan when a whole load of troubled young women (many of them with ASD, mental health issues, or past histories of childhood sexual abuse) who've tried to escape the shitty aspects of womanhood by transitioning suddenly realise they were conned and they've been left with mutilated bodies.

Anyway, congratulations. I think you've pissed off a lot of potential voters today. More than the 30 or so supporters on twitter enthusiastically egging you on for sticking it to the "transphobic" mummies who should know their place.

Chesntoots · 18/06/2019 19:11

Oh shit, I haven't even got kids and I've been on here for years.

I guess I'd best just fuck off then....

Throckmorton · 18/06/2019 19:11

I think you've pissed off a lot of potential voters today

Absolutely. Based solely on his replies, I will not be voting Lib Dem any time soon. I can't be doing with men manspaining womanhood to me

womanaf · 18/06/2019 19:13

Came for the prams, stayed for the radicalisation portal.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 18/06/2019 19:20

Imagine being not even apathetic but actually critical of the women who are fighting against erosion of the rights you take for granted (that previous generations of women had to fight hard to gain).

Rosti1981 · 18/06/2019 19:25

Off to read this. I'm currently a LD member and I'm interested in this given the leadership vote that is coming up.

LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses · 18/06/2019 19:27

My problems with TRAs came from their words and those of their supporters not from anything I read here. It coming to my attention wasn't from anything I read here either.

LimeKiwi · 18/06/2019 19:35

My problems with TRAs came from their words and those of their supporters not from anything I read here. It coming to my attention wasn't from anything I read here either

What about if you don't have an opinion either way or you're completely new to the subject though?
Why would you even know what TRA's are saying? You'd go from what was linked here and what was being said.
So I can kind of see what she's saying (I do think groomed is the wrong word though)

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