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To think there's something seriously wrong with the police in America?

71 replies

itsbloodybaltic · 17/06/2019 21:20

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48660143

Phoenix mayor apologises after police threaten to shoot black family

www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-costco-shooting-off-duty-officer-intellectual-disability-20190616-story.html

Costco shooting: Man killed by off-duty officer had an intellectual disability, cousin says

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/utah-police-gun-10-year-old_n_5cffa486e4b06d839dc551f1

Utah Police Chief Defends Officer Who Pointed Gun At Black 10-Year-Old

It's scary how trigger happy they can be.

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Iblinkedandiamold · 17/06/2019 21:32

Not unreasonable, this is not a new thing though. This has been going on for years.
The family one is shocking. Even if they had stolen a doll and underwear that was an extreme reaction.
The 10 year old one is very convenient. As in the cops forgot to turn on his body cam.
I have seen loads of videos posted on social media. You'd think this would make them more cautious but it doesn't. They are trained to expect that everyone (even children clearly) are armed.

SilverySurfer · 17/06/2019 22:46

Far too many appear to be thugs, racist or otherwise.

I recently watched a police programme - it showed a US cop stop a car and he told the woman driver to get out of the car. Because she didn't move as fast as he wanted, he tazered her. She fell out of the car onto the ground and every time she tried to stand up he tazered her again because she wasn't getting up fast enough. He tazered her five times. I can't even begin to imagine how horrendous that would be. They said he subsequently retired early from the police. WTF he should be in prison for assault. Not to mention how trigger happy they are - it seems to be shoot first, ask questions later.

The police are honestly one of the main reasons I would never go to America.

Oysterbabe · 18/06/2019 07:24

I think that things are probably a lot better now all police are aware they might be filmed. Imagine how bad it was when they knew they'd probably get away with it completely.

LakieLady · 18/06/2019 07:36

They terrify me.

Actually, America and its gun laws terrify me.

Bezalelle · 18/06/2019 08:19

America is a cess-pool, simple as that.

MyOpinionIsValid · 18/06/2019 08:44

They're voted in, thats why.

araiwa · 18/06/2019 08:52

In most countries, police are taught to descalate a situation and attempt to resolve it peacefully.

In usa, it seems the opposite. Drawing your weapon should be a last resort but is often the first. Realistically, why on earth would any police officer need a gun against a 10 year old girl?

Their training and selection process needs a massive overhaul

HJWT · 18/06/2019 08:55

Its not the police, its the government, this country (UK) is fucked without guns! Could you imagine the shit show we would be in with guns!?

BouncingBanana · 18/06/2019 09:01

I saw that one @SilverySurfer. My jaw was actually on the floor. There was another one of a man who was tasered 7 times in total, while he was on the ground! The cop kept telling him to put his hands behind his back, but because he couldn't due to being incapacitated with the taser, he tasered him again! Dangerous and nuts.
They are too trigger happy.
Remember Rodney King? Absolutely appalling.

BouncingBanana · 18/06/2019 09:02

Meant to add, and these are just the ones that we know about, god knows how many are going unreported, unchecked and unnoticed.

hormonesorDHbeingadick · 18/06/2019 09:04

I think it’s hard to understand from our culture where the role of the police is to protect and help people and in the US and many other countries they just catch the ‘bad guys’.

Rezie · 18/06/2019 09:14

It's so messed up. I can kinda see it since guns are so readily available there that the police is covering their own ass since it's fair to assume that the suspect has a gun. This leads into the really messed up gun laws and regulations they have.

Also, it always seems to be 20 bullets. If they need so many shots to kill someone then they need more training. At that point it's a decision they are making and nothing to do with protecting anyone. And them getting away with anything is disgusting.

Oysterbabe · 18/06/2019 09:20

Imagine a lot of the time the police over there are terrified. Almost anyone they stop could be carrying a weapon. People are pretty unreasonable when scared so throwing in a gun and a big ego and that's a recipe for disaster.

Isitfridayalready · 18/06/2019 09:45

YANBU. I don't understand how some people can be so apathetic about it. To take one example, when the Justine Damond shooting was first reported, I saw so many people reacting with "well, she was asking for it. If you approach a police car in the dark, you should expect to get shot dead" (even if you made an emergency call and think you're interacting with them as a potential witness). I find it inconceivable that people can be happy to live under conditions where making an innocent mistake around the wrong police officer - or being too slow to react, or being a bit "mouthy" - can be an offence carrying the death penalty. Yet plenty of people are happy to justify it to themselves.

Isitfridayalready · 18/06/2019 09:50

Mind you, I went to school in a nice English village in the late 80s/ early 90s, and I remember our teacher trying to hold a special lesson on racism inspired by the Rodney King scandal. Every one of those cute little nine and ten year-olds said (quoting their parents) that Rodney King deserved it and "the blacks" were just trying to cause trouble. Yeah, that included me, because I hadn't yet realised that my parents were massive fucking racists. So I think plenty of people in this country would be cool with police brutality, as long as it mainly affected people of a different race to them.

PodgeBod · 18/06/2019 09:58

Look up what they did to a homeless man called Kelly Thomas. It's sickening. And if they ever do go to trial, the juries let them walk away scot free.

Dickybow321 · 18/06/2019 10:04

Urgh.
Appalling country.

Ghanagirl · 18/06/2019 10:06

@itsbloodybaltic
To think there's something seriously wrong with the police in America?17
Yesterday 21:20

Yep, it’s called racism, couple that with armed police and civilians its recipe for disaster.

Ghanagirl · 18/06/2019 10:15

@hormonesorDHbeingadick
‘bad guys’
Yeah I’m sure the pregnant women and two toddlers were hardened criminals....

Ghanagirl · 18/06/2019 10:21

@Isitfridayalready
Justine Damonds case panned out very differently though as it was a white woman and the policeman was black.
He went to jail for 12.5 years and her family got one of the largest ever settlements from the police department. Black lives patently don’t matter in the US

MynameisJune · 18/06/2019 10:29

I would not want to be a black person in America, the police are institutionally racists and then they are given guns and a ‘shoot first ask questions later’ mentality it’s a disaster.

The Walter Scott case sums up perfectly how the police think they are untouchable.

Gth1234 · 18/06/2019 10:37

Britain terrifies me . Not safe to go out. Scaredy cat police letting criminals run amok. We should arm our police.

MsMaisel · 18/06/2019 10:39

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Ghanagirl · 18/06/2019 10:44

Britain terrifies me . Not safe to go out. Scaredy cat police letting criminals run amok. We should arm our police.
Where do you live belmarsh🙄

Dickybow321 · 18/06/2019 10:52

Where do you live belmarsh🙄

LMAO!🤣