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To ask how she can become a pediatric nurse with no GCSE's?

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AuntieNurse85 · 12/06/2019 17:25

Niece 16 who I have fostered for 2 months and will foster for the forseeable. Didn't go to school for past 2 years as mother was neglectful and was more interested in boyfriends and alcohol than driving her to school which she couldn't get to alone. Niece has coped amazingly well with this and is keen to focus on her education despite having no GCSE's. She wants to become a pediatric nurse and is very passionate about it and says it's all she wants to do.

She has a place on an "Entry to Care" foundation course at the local college where she will take English and Math's GCSE alongside studying health and social. Originally we read that she could progress from foundation to Level 1, 2, then 3 and either get an apprenticeship in the subject or that uni's will accept her having completed Level 3. However niece has been looking online (As I said, she is v v passionate about it and I'm so proud of her. I want to make sure she takes the best route into it.) and has said that the vast majority of uni's are demanding 5 GCSE's and at least 2 A Level's. And apprenticeships apparently are scarse and require more and more each year and she's saying she doesn't want to work hard only to be turned away from work in 4/5 years because the requirements have changed.

So, what's the best route through? A friend has suggested scrapping the Health and Social care foundation and instead having her study 5 GCSE's this year. However college only offers GCSE courses to 16-18 students who've already took the exam and failed. She's only being offered English and Maths there. The foundation college course is only 3 days a week as well and me and niece both agree that those other 2 days need to be filled up with studying. I want her to get those 3 other GCSE's (esp a science) but I'm not sure the best way. Is she best of staying on the course for E+M and using the 2 free days a week studying for 3 others? If so how can we sort out the 3 others? Or is it worth scrapping the course (my friend has described it as a dead end course and says college is lying about finishing level 3 being enough for her to get into uni/an apprenticeship when she has no A levels) and having her spend the next year studying 5 GCSE's intensely and then progressing onto A levels? She is v clever and determined so I have no doubt she'll pass. Would like to request nobody replies saying how she shouldn't bother because "the NHS is unstable" or "the pay is shit" as we've both dealth with it in real life and I don't want to hear it. This is her dream job.

Advice much appreciated. As I said earlier, I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to help her achieve her dream. I don't feel she should have to settle for less. Not sure if relevent but feel someone may ask, I work full time in an office and am also a single parent to a toddler who is in nursery. Finances aren't great but I can scrape together a fair bit for studies.

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GhostIsAGoodBoi · 13/06/2019 07:10

@DreamsOfDownUnder I did Access Science last year. That only required Maths and English. I did my GCSEs 15 years before I did my Access course, so a long time ago, but without that basic knowledge, people will struggle with Access, let alone University science (I’ve just finished Year 1).

GhostIsAGoodBoi · 13/06/2019 07:11

Basic GCSE Science knowledge*

chickhonhoneybabe · 13/06/2019 07:20

@GhostIsAGoodBoi It doesn’t have to be a science only access course to progress to nursing, I did an access to health professions which does include biology. The requirement is usually for the access course to include a science subject. I did my GCSEs 25 years ago and was ok...

GhostIsAGoodBoi · 13/06/2019 07:24

@chickhonhoneybabe I didn’t say it had to be Science only. My sister did the Access Nursing and there is a lot of Science in it, and more in the actual degree. My University only accepts Access Nursing or Science as there isn’t enough Science in the Health Professions one.

Ihatehashtags · 13/06/2019 07:26

Id scrap the foundation course and do the GSCEs

sashh · 13/06/2019 07:27

The BTEC Health and Social care extended diploma (Level 3) is a well trodden route in to nursing. She will need GCSE maths and English alongside and if she can get science or biology GCSE so much the better.

I am biased because I have taught BTEC HSC for many years, and I am also biased as I have a number of medical conditions and I would prefer to be treated by a nurse who has gone down the BTEC route. They get more practical experience and undertake a work placement.

OP

Any experience in a care setting is valuable and although most people do unpaid work experience as part of their BTEC it can be paid work so if she gets a part time caring job now it would be useful both for experience before starting the course and during.

Also is she classed as 'looked after' or a 'care leaver'? I'm just asking because she may get a bursary or scholarship when she gets to uni.

Good luck to both of you.

Newyearbollocks · 13/06/2019 07:28

I re-took my GCSE's at the age of 22 at college. I did a year course and obtained 5. Look into different college's. I know some do this.

chickhonhoneybabe · 13/06/2019 07:29

@GhostIsAGoodBoi What I’m saying is I did my GCSEs a very long time ago and don’t have science, but haven’t struggled with the science part of the access course or at uni... some will some won’t I guess

Newyearbollocks · 13/06/2019 07:31

Posted before finishing. I then did a Access to HE course which is equivalent to A levels. There are ones for nursing and secured a place at a very good university. There are so many routes.

Newyearbollocks · 13/06/2019 07:32

an access* auto correction sorry Blush

GhostIsAGoodBoi · 13/06/2019 07:43

@chickhonhoneybabe Neither did I, but my college warned us that every year around 50% of the Access Science students drop out after the first term due to its difficulty. It’s 75% of the Chem and Bio A Level syllabus taught over 9 months. And out of a class of 20, 10 of us finished, with 7 of us getting places at RG Universities and 3 having to go through Clearing due to not getting the required grades.

No idea what Access Nursing or Access HE is like for content though.

Namechangeymcnamechange11 · 13/06/2019 07:52

No advice, but just wanted to say good luck to her, she sounds like a determined young lady who is destined to achieve! Also well done to you, being such a wonderful influence in her life.

Adreamaday · 13/06/2019 10:30

@chickhonhoneybabe Looking at the Stockport course it says she’ll need to sit a test prior to being accepted as I’m assuming she didn’t sit her GCSEs. To be honest I think she will struggle with doing too many GCSEs at once and may find it overwhelming.

I did my GCSEs in a year after missing years of high school. I did English Language/Literature, double Science and Maths. It was hard work but possible. I had to cover a LOT of the content myself though as retake classes don't cover it all and skim across lots of it. So I would get GCSEs books and download the syllabus

The tests at Stockport will be to make sure they have the reading/writing and numeracy skills to study at that level. Stockport College will not take someone who will not cope or is not ready for that level yet. If they offer her a place then they will think she is capable.

chickhonhoneybabe · 13/06/2019 11:04

@Adreamaday I did my GCSEs in a year after missing years of high school. I did English Language/Literature, double Science and Maths. It was hard work but possible. I had to cover a LOT of the content myself though as retake classes don't cover it all and skim across lots of it. So I would get GCSEs books and download the syllabus you did really well considering your background. What I was trying to point out to the Op was that the foundation course her niece has been looking at is designed for people who don’t have any formal GCSEs and is a valid route into further and higher education as she may struggle doing lots of GCSEs at once.

The tests at Stockport will be to make sure they have the reading/writing and numeracy skills to study at that level. Stockport College will not take someone who will not cope or is not ready for that level yet. If they offer her a place then they will think she is capable yes, this is absolutely why potential students need to sit the test if they have no GCSEs to ensure they are capable and able to cope with the workload.

Pinkmouse6 · 13/06/2019 11:09

I’m a college tutor.

Give your local college a call and see what they advise, they may have an open day event coming up anyway where you can go and discuss this in person. Everyone should have at least an English and Maths GCSE so in all likelihood she will have to spend a year doing those. It’s no big deal, I teach a variety of GCSE students from ages 16-65 (he was my oldest!).

Pinkmouse6 · 13/06/2019 11:10

Oh and there are entry ‘exams’ if you like to ensure they are capable enough for the GCSE course. If she doesn’t pass these, they will put her on an entry level course instead so it will take a couple of years rather than one.

crosspelican · 13/06/2019 11:17

She could do all the necessary GCSEs through a home education portal, if she has the discipline for home education. She can do it at her own pace, which might well be accelerated given her age and ambition.

General info: home-ed.info/gcse

Wolsey Hall: wolseyhalloxford.org.uk/igcse-homeschooling/ (if they're good enough for Nelson Mandela!)

Interhigh: interhigh.co.uk/learning/igcses-subjects-key-stage-4/

I'm not sure that taking a roundabout way is ideal, as it limits the universities she can apply for in two or three years time. She might be better to do as many GCSEs/IGCSEs as she can and go the conventional route.

chickhonhoneybabe · 13/06/2019 11:29

@crosspelican I'm not sure that taking a roundabout way is ideal, as it limits the universities she can apply for in two or three years time. She might be better to do as many GCSEs/IGCSEs as she can and go the conventional route the further education foundation course isn’t a roundabout way and doesn’t limit her choice of university. To go to uni OP niece needs GCSE Maths and English (possibly science for some unis) and A levels or a level 3 further education certificate which is A level equivalent. The further education foundation course her niece has looked at includes GCSE Maths and English but she needs to check at what level this is to see if it’s level 4 which I believe is a old style Grade C as it could take 2 years rather than 1 to get the GCSEs. Then she can go on to do a level 3 course which is equivalent to the A levels that uni require.

Either way she still needs the required GCSEs before she can do the level 3 further education course or A levels if college do A levels which I don’t think they do.....

bruffin · 13/06/2019 11:38

Definitely dont need A levels if you have Health and Social Care Level 3.
Dd is doing s health care subject at Cardiff ,( top in country for subject), it only seems to mention A levels on website but she applied with Health and Social Care and got an offer. She also got 3 other offers from good unis.She was also looking at peadiatric nursing as another option.
Her friend on the course also got into uea and kings with health and socisl care level 3

AuntieNurse12 · 13/06/2019 16:38

Right, just heard back from Stockport. She has to go in on Monday for an interview and exam to see if the 4/5 GCSE course is appropriate. Will have her brush up on everything (mostly maths) so that she has the best chances of them accepting her.

If they say no (don't think they will) it's not the end of the world and she'll continue the foundation and I'll fund a bio GCSE alongside. Thank you all for advice x

chickhonhoneybabe · 13/06/2019 16:49

That’s good news! I’d perhaps have a look at some of the GCSE past papers the grading marks are also listed.

www.aqa.org.uk/exams-administration/exams/find-past-papers-and-mark-schemes

HJWT · 13/06/2019 16:59

If she goes on google types on the Uni she wants to go to and what she wants to study it will say on there the entry requirements xx

titchy · 13/06/2019 17:01

Excellent! Good luck to her.

HJWT · 13/06/2019 17:03

So she would need to take Health & social care up to Level 3 preferably at distinction * Level to beat the others and GCSE maths & english.

You take a science course when you do health & social care btw.

To ask how she can become a pediatric nurse with no GCSE's?
Figure8 · 13/06/2019 17:52

Maybe go see a careers advisor

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