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To ask how she can become a pediatric nurse with no GCSE's?

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AuntieNurse85 · 12/06/2019 17:25

Niece 16 who I have fostered for 2 months and will foster for the forseeable. Didn't go to school for past 2 years as mother was neglectful and was more interested in boyfriends and alcohol than driving her to school which she couldn't get to alone. Niece has coped amazingly well with this and is keen to focus on her education despite having no GCSE's. She wants to become a pediatric nurse and is very passionate about it and says it's all she wants to do.

She has a place on an "Entry to Care" foundation course at the local college where she will take English and Math's GCSE alongside studying health and social. Originally we read that she could progress from foundation to Level 1, 2, then 3 and either get an apprenticeship in the subject or that uni's will accept her having completed Level 3. However niece has been looking online (As I said, she is v v passionate about it and I'm so proud of her. I want to make sure she takes the best route into it.) and has said that the vast majority of uni's are demanding 5 GCSE's and at least 2 A Level's. And apprenticeships apparently are scarse and require more and more each year and she's saying she doesn't want to work hard only to be turned away from work in 4/5 years because the requirements have changed.

So, what's the best route through? A friend has suggested scrapping the Health and Social care foundation and instead having her study 5 GCSE's this year. However college only offers GCSE courses to 16-18 students who've already took the exam and failed. She's only being offered English and Maths there. The foundation college course is only 3 days a week as well and me and niece both agree that those other 2 days need to be filled up with studying. I want her to get those 3 other GCSE's (esp a science) but I'm not sure the best way. Is she best of staying on the course for E+M and using the 2 free days a week studying for 3 others? If so how can we sort out the 3 others? Or is it worth scrapping the course (my friend has described it as a dead end course and says college is lying about finishing level 3 being enough for her to get into uni/an apprenticeship when she has no A levels) and having her spend the next year studying 5 GCSE's intensely and then progressing onto A levels? She is v clever and determined so I have no doubt she'll pass. Would like to request nobody replies saying how she shouldn't bother because "the NHS is unstable" or "the pay is shit" as we've both dealth with it in real life and I don't want to hear it. This is her dream job.

Advice much appreciated. As I said earlier, I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to help her achieve her dream. I don't feel she should have to settle for less. Not sure if relevent but feel someone may ask, I work full time in an office and am also a single parent to a toddler who is in nursery. Finances aren't great but I can scrape together a fair bit for studies.

OP posts:
GhostIsAGoodBoi · 12/06/2019 20:44

I’d say GCSE Maths English Science, then Access Nursing course which is 1 year. Definitely needs Science GCSEs.

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 20:45

oh ffs

Figure8 · 12/06/2019 20:50

. Definitely needs Science GCSEs

Nope- not every college

Figure8 · 12/06/2019 20:51
  • uni!! Not college!
ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 20:51

she does not need science GCSE

titchy · 12/06/2019 20:52

MN being weird tonight!

OP says the college does have a GCSE programme. True it's for resit kids, but if she's bright and motivated and OP can argue her corner it's a better route.

The Foundation linked to is pre- GCSE Level 1 - it's Foundation level 3 which is the level expected in year 6.

titchy · 12/06/2019 20:54

Science GCSE pretty important actually. It'll keep her options open, and make the level 3 science modules, even on health and social care, much easier.

Fibbke · 12/06/2019 20:57

Dd got into Bath university with a level 3 in Health and Social care (plus 2 a levels) but the full level 3 BTEC is equivalent to 3 a levels

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:04

I doubt very much they will take her on a re-sit program because they have no evidence that she can pass a re-sit - if she had gained 3's at GCSE yes but she hasn;t sat GCSE's - the best option is either BTEC or a rare as hens teeth full GCSE program

also where is the evidence she is 'very bright' I work with very bright kids and being bright isn't enough for a college to accept you on a program that requires GCSE's

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:06

anyway - sorry OP - best advice is to get some professional careers advice - and certainly to talk to the college about all her options - ask for a meeting with them

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:08

Tichy if she can find a college that offers science GCSE great - but realistically it's going to be a difficult find - my job is basically getting disadvantaged kids into education and keeping them there - if just doing 1-3 GCSE's was an option it'd be great - but thanks to the RPA it's really not these days - it's 'full time' program with additional maths and English either as re-sits (if you got 3's) or functional skills if you didn't! (or if you are lucky)

Ilnome · 12/06/2019 21:11

Okay so this may work for your situation- an access course? There is access to nursing and while you usually have to be 19+ providers do accept people onto the course in certain circumstances including hardship (Someone I know was accepted onto one four or five years ago after dropping out of a levels due to eating disorder treatment ) I would say being a child in care probably helps (also please let your niece know that there is a real mix of ages on nursing courses so even if it takes a few more years she won’t feel out of place aged whatever xxx)

Decormad38 · 12/06/2019 21:11

As a nurse lecturer I will just say that out of all the nursing disciplines she has chosen the hardest to get into. It’s competitive. Our uni has 14 child places and gets about 600 applications for those places. So that’s why she needs good qualifications because she is up against competition.

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:13

for access to HE you ALAYS have to be 19+ - her niece is 16!

BalloonSlayer · 12/06/2019 21:13

You can stay in education in secondary till 19, so she has got one year to play with. I would suggest trying to find a school that would take her for GCSEs that she could do in a year. If she could only do five that would be even better: say maths, English, double science and health and social care? Good grades in those should be enough to get her on to BTECs in H&SC and Applied Science and thence to Nursing.

You say she has a social worker? They might be able to help persuade a school to take her in Year 11 Schools do let students repeat Y11 if they have been ill, so it should be possible for somewhere to take her, however they are likely to hear "didn't go to school much" and interpret it as "Trouble," which is where the SW comes in to convince them this is not the case.

Emma090 · 12/06/2019 21:13

Admissions Officer for pre-reg Nursing here, apologies in advance for the long post (!)

There is no NMC requirement for 5 GCSEs, so what is required here varies considerably by institution. If institutions say 5 GCSEs in their published standard entry requirements, this doesn't necessarily mean that they will insist upon them.

However, they will insist upon GCSE English & Maths C/4 or above or acceptable alternatives. This is the standard threshold set in response to the NMC requirement that institutions 'confirm on entry to the programme that students... have capability to develop numeracy skills required to meet programme outcomes' and 'have capability in literacy to meet programme outcomes'. Acceptable alternatives vary by institution and can include Functional Skills Level English & Maths and various other Level 2 qualifications.

So, please check with individual institutions about GCSEs - look at their webpages, go to Open Days, phone up Admissions Offices / Nursing Admissions Tutors etc.

As competition for Children's Nursing places is very high at most institutions, I would encourage her to gain care/healthcare experience and do thorough research into the profession (relevant literature etc). If she draws upon this well, this will enable her to evidence transferable skills, motivation, insight and commitment in her personal statement and if shortlisted to interview.

She also needs to ensure she is on track to meet the grades / UCAS points requirements - she should approach individual institutions now to investigate these before she makes her Level 3 choices. We accept a wide range of qualifications, but the most common are BTEC Extended Diploma Health & Social Care, 3 A Levels or Access to Higher Education Diploma in a relevant subject. Typical offers in my region vary from BCC to ABB at A Level (104-128 UCAS points) or DDM/DMM (112/128 UCAS points) in BTEC Extended Diploma.

Some institutions nationwide might accept her with an apprenticeship, but we and all the institutions in my region would not due to lack of UCAS points. If she applied with an apprenticeship in Health & Social Care, we would refer her to our Foundation course so she gets the academic grounding, and then encourage her to re-apply the following year.

People talking about Nursing Associate apprenticeships - Nursing Associate Foundation Degree graduates can enter 2nd year of an Adult Nursing degree, but not Children's as far as I am aware. This is due to the children-specific content covered in Year 1 of a Children's Nursing degree, so it would be two years apprenticeship + three year degree. Most apprenticeship places go to existing, experienced employees. She would need GCSE English & Maths at C/4 or above or acceptable alternative for a Nursing Associate apprenticeship.

You could investigate universities that offer the Nursing Degree Apprenticeship (a very small number offer this in Children's Nursing). However, all the ones I'm familiar with have the same entry requirements as a standard Children's Nursing degree.

So, in summary, contact institutions she's interested in to check their specific requirements, and try to come up with a plan with the college that enables her to meet those. Also ask what other things are not required but will strengthen her application and about their selection criteria when assessing personal statements/at interview (may be best to ask the Admissions Tutor rather than Admissions Office this question and either face-to-face or over the phone as they tend to go into more detail that way.)

I wish her all the best with her future application and if you have any more specific questions, please PM me.

Xmas2020 · 12/06/2019 21:15

Access to Nursing, Look on NHS Careers.

LittleAndOften · 12/06/2019 21:16

@ghostyslovesheets agreed. It's really not as simple as "do GCSEs" in Further Education settings.

There are many alternatives available as pps have said - vocational plus functional skills level 2 English & Maths is a more likely course to follow.

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:16

Emma090 brilliant post - thank you!

PissOffPeppa · 12/06/2019 21:18

My brother went to John Moores. Because of a complicated family situation involving lots of school changes, he only had a couple of GCSEs and no A levels. He did an access course with John Moores and was accepted onto a degree.

It wasn’t nursing, and of course each course will be different, but it does suggest that John Moores are supportive towards prospective students without traditional academic backgrounds. Give them a ring and explain the situation.

Emma090 · 12/06/2019 21:22

All institutions I know would accept an Access to HE Diploma (normally in a relevant subject) as long as their specific grade requirements are met. GCSE English & Maths C/4 or above or acceptable alternatives will be a must for pre-reg Nursing though.

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:23

access courses are great but not an option for the OP's niece (unless I got her age wrong?)

Emma090 · 12/06/2019 21:24

@PissOffPeppa
Following my message above, OP's niece is 16 though, FE colleges normally only offer Access courses to 19+.

Figure8 · 12/06/2019 21:31

She could do an Access course after she completes her level 2 courses

ghostyslovesheets · 12/06/2019 21:33

I'm not sure but she's 16 if I'm right so after L2 she's be 18 - too young for access but perfect for an extended BTEC!

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