To ask you to stop flying

[Walkingthere]

We are facing a climate disaster. Our children will have to live through it. And yet I overheard two women today discussing how many holidays abroad they had been on this year. Both over 60 years of age. Obviously it will not directly impact on them.
This is also very common in my social group, people jetting off 4-5 times a year. Mini-breaks, weekends away, European trips, long haul, hen do's, weddings, birthdays. It's unbelievable how much people are burying their heads in the sand.

We need to stop flying. Urgently. Now. My family have not flown in over 5 years. We used to travel a lot, before we realised the consequences. I am putting this here, to make people think, we all need to urgently reduce (ideally stop) flying now.

Maybe I will when people stop having multiple children?

I would love to avoid flying - I really wish there were still ferry options between Scandinavia and Britain

theaverage

You are simply wrong.

You don't NEED to go to weddings...you just don't.

When your grandkids ask you why they are dying in a barren world, how many fucks do you think they will give that you just NEEDED to go to a wedding?

No. My family family live 4000 miles away. My trip to see them once a year will make no odds whatsoever. It’s massive corporations that need to change.

I cannot exactly undo having children can I? Ah, do as I say and not as I do. You’ve made a environmentally poor choice, but feel justified in pontificating to others about the choices they should make?

M3lon

Whats cheap is expecting everyone else to change and and make sacrifices to fit in to your perfect world whilst you (they) are not prepared to make sacrifices yourselves.

Because lets be honest, when the OP's kids move out she will no doubt want them to do what is best for themselves and will be travelling around to see them.

Maslow would argue there is no NEED, actually, even for family. Not over the NEEDS of the planet.
But I'm just being pedantic about NEEDS and WANTS.

I'm certainly not siding with OP here.

redpanda your logic being that if one person is fucking the environment we might as well all carry on and die all the faster for it?

No I won’t

My dad can’t take long flights now and I want to see him

(The planet we rely on to, you know, stay alive)

If there were more reliable and faster trains, I wouldn't need to fly to attend a single meeting.

If I had more time off, I could go on holiday without flying.

I don't think our children will live through it

It's interesting how people justify their actions saying things to the effect that 'well there's nothing we can do, it's big companies who should change, or the government, or you should have thought of that before you had children'!!
For crying out loud, what on earth are people thinking?
Every change in attitude and action helps, no matter how small.
Look at how things have changed in the last 20/30 years with regard to attitudes - Drink driving became unacceptable, something that would have been unthinkable in the 70s when I started driving!
The ban on smoking in pubs and other public places and change in attitude to being a smoker has made a massive difference in the amount of people who smoke and of course the health of millions long term.
On a smaller note we have all get very used to taking our own bags to go shopping saving a massive amount in plastic usage.

I feel the 'entitlement' of people on these pages sounds so like the attitudes I remember from smokers who didn't care if young children breathed in their smoke or that they upset others as they had every 'right' to have their fag, where and when they wanted.

Think on folks, every little helps in the changes we need to change a who societies attitude to something that is going to dramatically affect others.

Nope sorry. My partner and I live 2000 miles apart so we have to fly 5 or 6 times a year and will continue to do so

boney EVERYONE will need to make major sacrifices (actually I don't think using skype is a major sacrifice...I think it needs to be at least the loss of a limb before it counts) if we are going to avoid the emerging catastrophe.

Playing childish games of 'I won't do anything till everyone else does' chicken is not an appropriate response.

Again...what will you tell your grandkids? Yeah sorry but I couldn't see why I should personally do anything when my neighbour had lots of children.....

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You are right OP. History will judge us harshly regarding the 'throw-away selfishness', and the desolate planet we will leave for future generations. Reality check...My parents and 2 of my siblings live abroad. I work & am also self-employed. I simply don't have available time to spend weeks on a boat to Caribbean. I go there every year. So, what's to do..

Jesus this thread is depressing. I wonder in 20 years as you sit (hopefully not dead) trying to comfort your children amongst the devastation you'll be glad you flew 4 times in 2019. #noregrets

God help us. Seriously scary

I take around 20-30 flights a year. Some business, some to see my family and some holiday. I have been making an effort to fly less business and next year I won’t fly business at all just using Skype and teleconferencing with my teams. I am also looking into train travel but it’s so expensive compared to flying. I won’t cut my flights to see my family.

I eat very little meat and dairy, I don't drive, I avoid plastic as much as possible, buy most of my clothes/furniture secondhand and I will never have children.

But I do fly multiple times a year and have no intentions of stopping.

I plan to experience as much of this planet as possible and I make no apologies about it.

You don't NEED to go to weddings...you just don't

That’s a message that’ll get people on board! Who needs their family? Who wants to celebrate milestone events that give their lives meaning? Go nowhere, live miserably, be lonely....

Ncncncagain I didn't get he sofas reupholstered in the end, nor did I buy new ones...the removal men had buggered them by putting boxes on them and squished the cushions beyond hope of salvage, but I sat on the damn things for another 3 years, til they reached 20 years of age, at which point, I did tip them. The scatter cushions are still in use though, and the two sets of cream covers that went with them (I have cats so didn't use the spare covers ever), are going to my Mum's sewing group to be re purposed as cushions or for material to edge things for their stall in the church at Christmas to raise funds for the church.

Frankly i am beyond caring.
Used to care, now feeling bombarded.

Done my best most of the time then you get crucified for the slightest thing by the ultra eco warrior society.
Also it's nag, nag, nag every time you switch on the telly or open a computer.
So everyone can now p.off and I'll do what I want

I'm no eco-warrior but there is a staggering amount of entitlement on this thread. Surprisingly so.

Yes Davros I heard the same. Computer usage far outstrips the whole aviation industry
Also DD talking recently about how much energy to store pics on a cloud
Going vegetarian will make more difference than stopping driving (according to Guardian article I read)
Also I really don't know how things can improve without massive government intervention. I've reduced consuming, meat, plastic, palm oil significantly but I go into shops and so much plastic, palm oil etc that I wonder how it's going to end

My 20 yo son doesn't want to fly.
So this year we are taking the Eurostar and an overnight train to go on holiday in Croatia.

I do however need to fly to HK at least once a year as the company I work for is based there. The rest of the time I work from home ie use no fuel to commute.

Will it make a difference? Who knows.