To ask Leavers if Trump wanting his hands on the NHS will change your mind,?

[StoorieHoose]

Lots of voxpops on TV say that leavers voted that way because of what was on the bus so now that The Donald has admitted that the NHS will be part of any trade deal and we have the prospect of insurance based health care to look forward to, can I ask if you would now still vote the same way?

He couldn’t have been clearer. The NHS needs to be on the table for negotiations. He is completely understandably looking for business opportunities for America, not for us. I just hope that people pick up on this.

Why should it change their minds? You do realise the Tories have been utterly decimating the NHS, cutting it, selling it off, stealth and not so stealth privatising it for the past 9 years and people continually voted them in. How is this anything new and shocking to such voters?

Well I made the mistake of going on the DM website and apparently most of their readers can’t wait for it to happen so there’s no hope. Apparently people protesting him are ‘traitors’, ‘lefties’, ‘snowflakes’ and ‘not even British’ because apparently there are no British people in London.

But as the saying goes, you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone. Personally my family will not be sticking around to pay £1000 a month insurance premiums and have to beg for community bake sales to fund expensive treatment or go bankrupt.

I’m sure that even if he stood there with his shit eating grin proclaiming that as soon as we left the EU, he would personally see to it that we would all have to beg him for a trade deal whilst he rodgered us with a chainsaw, there would be thousands of people online saying it was great and that it would be worth it to upset lefty snowflakes and take our country back.

Jessie - I absolutely agree with you about the stealth privatisation. I spent two months at the Royal Free when my child was ill. I have seen the (as yet mostly unoccupied) private rooms on the children’s ward and was told about an entire floor of private rooms upstairs by the nurses. Things can get a lot worse though. We are not yet given a bill for £1000 if you call an ambulance, like you do in America if you are not insured.

Weirdly enough, Nigel Farage is funded by Aaron Banks, who has made his money from insurance....

Labour started the privatisation. Don’t see anyone moaning about that

Labour hasn't been in power for the past 9 years, Conks, so erm, that's a moot point now, the privatisation has continued and intensified. And will continue to do so because people apparently want it and keep voting for those who back it.

Most of the Leavers I know either say "it'll never happen" or "but we got our country back".

Just as the Americans found out in 2016, 30% of the country would gladly cut their own throats as long as people they hated had them cut too.

So because Labour started the privatisation it doesn’t matter that we’re about to sell the entire NHS to Trumps billionaire health insurance mates and end up like Americans, some rich people who can afford it, many scared to move jobs in case they lose their insurance or big pharma drug pushers paying doctors to get people in pain hooked on OxyContin? Jesus wept.

You know that healthcare will be on the agenda for
a trade deal with the EU too, don't you?

There's a private floor in the Marsden too. My DM ended up being quarantined there.

we’re about to sell the entire NHS to Trumps billionaire health insurance mates and end up like Americans

I weep at your lack of understanding about what a trade deal is.

I hope that more and more people are waking up to what Brexit means.

I know people who believed that by voting Leave they were saving the NHS (from hordes of immigrants/and by giving it money saved from the EU) - I wonder what they are thinking now.

Unhomme bloody good reason not to leave then!

what do you mean Unhomme??

@RHTawneyonabus

Healthcare is already traded between all those markets.

I know what a trade deal is but you clearly don’t understand the difference between a trade deal between equals and one between a beggar and a dominant nation ruled by a bully who doesn’t believe in a win win.

Ask most African nations how they fare in trade deals with the west? Ghana who produces most of the worlds cocoa isn’t even allowed to produce chocolate under WTO meaning they can’t build successful brands to compete with the West so they will always be under the heal of the West.

That's what many Leavers want though isn't it? Not necessarily giving American companies access, but Farage has floated replacing the NHS with private health insurance and they backed him strongly in the Euro elections.

Not saying that replacing the NHS was a factor in the Leave vote in the Referendum, but it doesn't appear to be causing particular concern with Leave voters now.

For everyone despairing petition for protecting the NHS from Donald Trump - a lot of tory leadership candidates have spoken out today about protecting the NHS. They know how important it is for being a vote winner or loser - they're rattled. Rattle them some more - sign and share. It feels good to at least try - and this petition is growing fast.

Unfinishedkitchen Tue 04-Jun-19 20:03:39
I’m sure that even if he stood there with his shit eating grin proclaiming that as soon as we left the EU, he would personally see to it that we would all have to beg him for a trade deal whilst he rodgered us with a chainsaw, there would be thousands of people online saying it was great and that it would be worth it to upset lefty snowflakes and take our country back.

Privitising the NHS is a public policy not a trade decision.

My understanding is that in order for Britain to have a deal with the US we are going to have to have to offer access to contracts for provision of services to the NHS/govt - we are against the ropes in hope for a few scraps. These deals to the Americans are lucrative

You know that healthcare will be on the agenda for a trade deal with the EU too, don't you?

Yes, one of the things we will have to talk about is continuing reciprocal health care rights, which we currently enjoy, and how much we will ave to pay to keep them. That's not exactly the same as it being carved up for big pharma is it? And if we just stay - no deals necessary - we keep EHIC, and America has to keep it's hands off the NHS because the EU has already worked to protect it.

Very good reason to stay,

Surely even the most ardent leaver will feel that being given a bill in the thousands for medical care of a loved one (or shelling out to insurance companies) would not be a good thing.

And as far as the EU being as bad as the US... EHIC card anyone?

Ghana who produces most of the worlds cocoa isn’t even allowed to produce chocolate under WTO meaning they can’t build successful brands

Is that true? Or is it that only the raw material is tariff free but processed chocolate is no longer tariff-free? Free trade (as in, much more free than the protectionism seen by all trading blocks), would therefore help those chocolate producers?

*whilst we're flagging accuracy, Ghana doesnt produce most of the world's cocoa.