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To think that someone can stop being aggressive

52 replies

kandykane77 · 04/06/2019 09:28

Long backstory but in a nutshell DH has been on and off horrid for ages. Last summer he threatened to beat his son and tried to lock him outside in the dark for being cheeky. I took DS out of his arms and took my son upstairs to calm him down. In January he said a punch in the mouth might shut him up. These incidents were out of character. His horridness is usually being grumpy, snappy, over drinking etc.
AIBU to think these could be isolated incidents?
In retrospect I should have walked out with DS last summer but now I’m thinking it’s illogical to leave someone now for something they did twice in a year and he may well never behave like that again.

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BambooB · 04/06/2019 10:56

Are you dim?

Grab your son and get out of there. If you don't, you're as bad as him Angry

Foslady · 04/06/2019 10:56

You are his mum and should be there to protect him.
What kind of life would your son have having to live with an abusive drunk of a father and a mother who thinks ‘it’s not that bad’?

Rubytinsleslippers · 04/06/2019 11:46

You are minimising.
He is drinking heavily. He is aggressive. He has you walking on eggshells.
But you are defending him by making out he is cutting down on his drinking.
You can't leave your 8 year old alone with him.
Where do you go from here?
He is abusing your son. He is abusing you. You are trying to justify staying with him... It's not all the time... Well it is! Your 8 year old is frightened. He is ' glued' to you. You are walking on egg shells.
Phone Women's Aid.

llangennith · 04/06/2019 11:58

I’m thinking it’s illogical to leave someone now for something they did twice in a year and he may well never behave like that again.

Really?? Once would be one time too many for most mothers. Your poor son must be living in a constant state of anxiety anticipating the next aggressive outburst.
Put your DC's welfare before your own comfort and leave this horrible selfish man.

Storytell · 04/06/2019 12:17

No he thinks 4 can a day is perfectly reasonable

With respect, that is because he is an alcoholic, and what he thinks is 'reasonable' bears no resemblance to general norms. He presumably doesn't think there was anything 'unreasonable' about threatening to beat a young child and lock him outside in the dark.

You, on the other hand, seem worryingly inured to all this, and to the fact that can't leave your eight year old alone with your husband for fear of violence. Please act.

Densol999 · 04/06/2019 12:19

Why are you asking now ? As in is there a back story here about something more recent that has triggered your concerns again ?
You know the answer OP is to leave and youve known that for months. Its just getting the support and strength to end the relationship
Good luck x

kandykane77 · 04/06/2019 12:24

Women’s aid ring out and have been ringing out for weeks

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theWarOnPeace · 04/06/2019 12:29

This is just terrible. How can you even contemplate staying with this man? You can’t trust him to be alone with your child, and you had to take DS out of his arms, is that a baby DS or the 8yo? He’s an alcoholic and bullying your child for goodness sake. What benefit is there in staying with someone like this?

Throckmorton · 04/06/2019 12:34

Your son is at risk and you are not protecting him. Of course you need to leave the person who is abusing your son.

Whatisthisfuckery · 04/06/2019 12:45

OP I was the woman putting up with this, the drinking, the moods, anger and violent outbursts. I too did the begging for him to stop drinking. I too accepted that four cans was better than eight. I too hoped things would get better, because I thought there was no way I could leave. Things did not get better, the drinking never improved, the aggressive violent outbursts got worse the more I challenged his behaviour so I left. It was hard, really hard, and the prospect of careing for a child on my own scared the bejesus out of me. I did it though, and thank god I did. Unfortunately I left it too long to stop DS having visits with his father. I didn’t know the magnitude of the violence and emotional abuse he was perpetrating against our son until it had already been happening for a long time, and even though I acted as soon as I found out I’ll never forgive myself for letting it happen. The fall out is so much worse than you can imagine, and my son doesn’t have SN.

Re the four cans not getting him drunk, this is not a saving grace, believe me, because he’s an alcoholic, he drinks to get drunk. Alcoholics are not like you or me, they don’t drink because they enjoy the taste, or because it relaxes them, or even because they want a good time, they drink because psychologically, and probably physically judging by the amount you say he used to drink, they need alcohol. It’s a dependency, and when they feel they’ve not had enough they’ll have more, and the more they drink the less it is enough. There is nothing, and I mean nothing you can do to change this. Conquering an alcohol addiction is incredibly difficult, even when a person desperately wants to, because the drink is central to their existence. Their mind is constantly wanting drink, figuring out where the next drink is coming from, planning the next drinking opportunity. You cannot influence this, not even if you try really really hard. The only way you can influence his drinking is to show him that his actions have consequences, and you have to follow through, otherwise there’s no point even trying.

I suggest you do as PP have suggested and call Women’s Aid. Take it from someone who’s been there, this situation is far more serious than you think it is and things will not improve for you, or your son.

teyem · 04/06/2019 13:22

Ffs woman, pull you head out of your ass. Your DH is a drunken thug.

TixieLix · 04/06/2019 13:36

Tell you what, why not cross your fingers and hope for the best. With any luck your DH won't punch your son in the mouth, but if he does you can say "Oh, I thought he had changed as he hadn't threatened him for 5 months".

Seriously though, why would you take that gamble with your son's wellbeing? You say yourself that your husband is still 'grumpy and snappy one day and fine the next', so even though he's cut the drinking down but not far enough he's still having trouble regulating his mood.

teyem · 04/06/2019 13:46

He's grumpy and snappy every other day. You can't leave him alone in the same room as your child. And your child sticks to you like glue?

Your poor kid. No wonder he won't leave your side. The fear of violence doesn't just exist in the moment of violence. It becomes the threat that underpins every glare, every disgruntled comment, every sigh and every unfilled expectation. It saturates the air. And you know this. And you know your child knows this. And you know why he won't ever be able to leave your side in this situation.

Funnyface1 · 04/06/2019 14:06

Op I have absolutely no experience of anything like this but I do have an 8 year old ds whose dad adores him. Absolutely loves him, does so much for him, always puts him first. I can't imagine it being any other way and I can't imagine trying to justify staying with a man who treats your son the way he does. It doesn't matter that it's not very often. The drinking is a problem and putting a young child under that kind of stress will be very damaging. Imagine him wondering when his dad will lose his temper again. It sounds like a situation that is escalating rather than improving. I would take advice from some of the posters on here who know where you can go to get out of this situation.

ssd · 04/06/2019 16:09

I can understand a woman making excuses for staying with a man, however he treats her, but making excuses for him threatening an 8 Yr old boy is indefensible.

You need help, as much as he does.

theobstacleisthwonlyway · 05/06/2019 09:55

Women’s aid ring out and have been ringing out for weeks

I noticed this last week when I was desperate for their help...called then morning noon and night for days...just rings out.

I understand what you are going through OP. I know how hard it is and that oftentimes you think you are making a big deal of nothing, or that you are mistaken in your thoughts. This is the effect abusive people have sometimes - they make you doubt yourself. Harsh as some of the replies here have been...they are right.

I managed to leave and its the best thing I ever did. Unfortunately I am fighting through the courts at the moment because ex is abusing our child. Hence trying to get through to Women's Aid. I believe this is due to the government cuts Angry

Best of luck OP. Leave this man and protect your child. Keep posting here for support Flowers

BlackPrism · 05/06/2019 12:38

Down to 4 pints a day 😂 4 pints a week would be OK.

He's threatened your autistic 8 year old - what a cunt.

BlackPrism · 05/06/2019 12:41

8 pints and a bottle of wine?!? 193 units a week? Which is compared to the recommended 14.

He's a massive alcoholic - he doesn't get drunk because he's dependant on it to feel normal and has the tolerance of a rhinoceros

rosesandwine · 05/06/2019 12:46

Soon as someone talks about my child like that I'd leave!! Are you that desperate to stay with him? Anyone who can talk to your child like that should have no place in your life. Angry

Isatis · 05/06/2019 12:47

If he gets that wound up by your son now, it's going to be infinitely worse when your son hits puberty. You do need to protect him.

kandykane77 · 06/06/2019 14:03

I told him it was booze or us. He went to the off licence. I’m seeing a rental property tomorrow for me and my son.

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Rubytinsleslippers · 06/06/2019 22:17

Good luck @KandyKane77 please keep trying women's aid.
Keep strong. Protect yourself and your son.
You are doing the right thing.

theobstacleisthwonlyway · 10/06/2019 10:47

well done and good luck

please keep posting for support if you need it

you are doing the right thing

xx

ConcreteFarmer · 10/06/2019 12:49

What happened recently thats made think enough is enough?
Because you're referring to January and last year and that was a long while ago.

GirlAtWork · 10/06/2019 13:42

How many times does he have to abuse your son before it’s not ok?