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Nurses watching tv/surfing the internet

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UB40fan · 28/05/2019 23:47

My daughter was recently in hospital. While there we witnessed nurses watching an hour long tv show and surfing the internet. It was quiet in the hospital at the time. I was stunned by this. The nurses were quite open about this, as in this was obviously allowed. Am i the one behind the times or is this now normal?

OP posts:
Polarbearflavour · 01/06/2019 11:19

Probably. I just hope that we are more enlightened today!

Nursing is a job like any other. Of course, nurses need to be caring. But I hate this idea that because it’s largely a profession of women, it’s a excuse for poor treatment and pay.

Because many people see nursing as a vocation still. So it’s okay for nurses to get dehydrated and abused. They should put up with it as it’s a vocation!

velveteenwabbit · 01/06/2019 12:19

I've witnessed this too in a stressful situation (miscarriage clinic) nurses crowded round behind the reception desk watching and laughing over an episode of a reality TV show.

paffuto · 01/06/2019 14:16

There are and always will be some brilliant, caring, compassionate nurses. But there are a few examples on here of attitudes which scare me if I need to go into hospital. Some have deliberately misconstrued OP posts and accused her of complaining. She wasn't complaining she was asking if this is allowed nowadays. Some posters sound green with envy that she hasn't worked for 30 years. So fucking what? What's that got to do with asking if nurses are allowed to watch an hour long TV programme. And yesterday we had another idiot (in my opinion) who admits she nursed sick people whilst she had tonsillitis but no concern that she may pass something on to the patients or maybe feel too ill to care for them properly. No, FartyParty was more concerned that the patient might be criticising her for eating sweets. If I knew a nurse was caring for me with tonsillitis I would ask her to keep away. Selfish, with no thought for vulnerable patients. No wonder many of us are afraid to go into hospital nowadays, some (SOME) nurses attitudes stink. And yes I know that the "itis" in tonsillitis only means inflammation but it can often lead to infection. Nurses when you're ill, do the right thing please and stay at home, away from sick patients. I was a nurse in the 70's and if I'd gone in with tonsillitis, matron would have had my arse!! And ArtyFarty, try brushing up on your people skills. Next time (if you are selfish enough to go in with tonsillitis) try saying to the patient as you approach "excuse me for sucking sweets but I have a sore throat and they're throat lozenges" Duh...

jennymanara · 01/06/2019 14:21

Telling nurses they can't drink water is awful. But I have long hated the idea of nurses as angels. There are some good and some bad nurses. Some nurses who think it is fine to talk to elderly patients without any respect or dignity, or to ignore good nursing practice. I think if you are able bodied and are in for elective surgery the chances are that you will have a good experience. If you are elderly you are less likely. And I have heard of bad practice in private hospitals as well as state.
I suspect the real issue is that hospitals are so desperate for staff that in some wards bad staff do get away with poor practice.

YesQueen · 01/06/2019 14:22

@paffuto you can lose your job. If you have 4 instances of sickness in a year, you can't go sick for a year. And if you do then it's another stage where they will say ok no lore sickness for a year
So technically any sickness in that year and you can be sacked. Even if occy health advise sickness triggers should be raised and you don't have an immune system bitter experience
Cancer? Still have a disciplinary meeting. Limb threatening spinal surgery? Disciplinary meeting. Oh and look forward to being asked what you will do to improve your sickness

jennymanara · 01/06/2019 14:22

And nurses are not poorly paid. They were once upon a time, but that is no longer the case. HCAs who actually do most of what used to be called nursing, are poorly paid.

paffuto · 01/06/2019 14:23

Polarbearflavour No, it's not a job like any other. People working in supermarkets, offices, etc, aren't responsible for people's lives are they?

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 01/06/2019 14:36

And yesterday we had another idiot (in my opinion) who admits she nursed sick people whilst she had tonsillitis but no concern that she may pass something on to the patients or maybe feel too ill to care for them properly.

Pressure to come into work when I'll is basically the number one complaint on the NHS staff survey, try telling management you're having time off for a sore throat and you'd basically be laughed at.

HCAs who actually do most of what used to be called nursing, are poorly paid.

I disagree if we're talking NHS. My DP took home 1600 this month for a band 2 job that requires no prior training. He works bloody hard but in comparison to other work of the same level it's pretty good (only a couple of hundred less than me as a 5 year qualified rmn).
However I agree In the private sector yes HCA are paid shit.

Twocoffees · 01/06/2019 16:20

FF01, 1600? No wonder some nurses let their pin lapse and work as HCA’s instead.

jennymanara · 01/06/2019 16:24

HCAs are paid £15,000 to £17,500 where I live. If they were earning 1600 it would be down to lots of overtime.

FormerlyFrikadela01 · 01/06/2019 17:16

Band 2 is 17,672-19,020. Saturday and night shifts are time + 42% and sunday/bank holidays are time + 84% (a higher percentage than bands 4-8).

Very easy to earn good money with a few runs if nights and weekends without overtime.

Like I said very early on this thread... it was several years of being qualified before I started to take home more than my DP.

Again this is NHS... I accept private HCA pay is shit (been there done that).

jennymanara · 01/06/2019 17:31

Okay thanks. Maybe I should move into this work.

Toddlerteaplease · 01/06/2019 19:20

We've got 4 patients. With three nurses and a student. It's going to be a very long night!

BumandChips · 01/06/2019 19:49

Toddlerteaplease Enjoy your night! Shifts like that don’t happen often.

Orangelover · 01/06/2019 22:48

Oh gosh this thread is soul destroying.

Firstly, as a sister working on a busy unit I'd be really disappointed in our staff if they were watching a programme on the ward busy or not - it's not professional. On breaks, at quiet times away from patient areas I'd turn a blind eye but not on the ward or if there's jobs to be done. So no OP I don't think you're being unreasonable in this case.

However I do agree with the posters who say that without having done the job it's very difficult to understand the pressures of the work. When I became a nurse I admit I didn't really know what the job entailed - it's much more responsibility than what I expected and so much falls on our shoulders. There's a lot of hidden work goes on that people just aren't aware of and whilst It would be lovely to update patients on what I've been doing behind the scenes every couple of hours it just isn't feasible.

I have no doubts that when I've sat at the desk writing my care plans, doing online referrals, chasing bloods, x-rays and scans, chasing doctors to review bloods, x rays and scans, ordering meds for discharge, organising care packages and transport for discharge, answering the phone to relatives and admitting patients I've been looking upon as the lazy nurse whilst the HCAs are doing the care/obs. However if I didn't do all of those things, nothing would move and no one would achieve anything from their hospital stay. Not to mention I could be in big trouble for not doing any of the above properly resulting in unsafe care.

I most definitely have compassion fatigue. When I first started nursing I was lovely and assumed all patients were genuine, however after years now of being spoken to like shit 70% of the time it's worn me down. I know people are anxious, vulnerable and in pain but that goes for most people in hospital and unfortunately we have to prioritise. I'm also really desensitised to distressing situations and whilst I try and maintain my empathy most of the time, i do feel frustrated when someone is wailing about something reasonably minor which is preventing me from getting to my end of life patient who needs anticipatory meds in the next bed.

I probably come across as slightly cold sometimes but personally if the roles were reversed I would rather my nurse got things done and sorted for me and kept me informed rather that taking valuable time to make small talk with me. I've never won any awards for compassion but have been promoted for my efficiency and I'm ok with that Blush

Most of our complaints aren't about nursing staffs behaviour but about waiting times and other things beyond our control. The shortage of nurses is one thing but the Drs staffing is another. Most of the time things come to standstill because we're all waiting on one poor registrar who's been in theatre for the last 7 hours Hmm but the patients see us sat down and assume it's because we can't be bothered that nothing is happening. I'm proud to see I feel I run a cracking team, very rarely would we ever have a situation where a patient isn't turned, fed or cleaned when needed. I've had multiple shifts recently where my staff haven't had their proper break and barely moaned about it just so we get through the day/night safely. It's always escalated to senior levels but what can they do about it? We can't magic up more budget and staff.

Unfortunately the NHS is what it is, and I feel increasingly that it is a tough place to work on the front line but in the OPs defence it's no excuse for laziness or unprofessional behaviour.

TooStressyTooMessy · 02/06/2019 01:55

Brilliant post Orangelover.

pinkstripeycat · 02/06/2019 08:54

MsMD

So OP in your job you have never scrolled through your phone or taken a personal call or done anything other than the exact job you were paid for for those exact hours?

Not in my job we don’t! Our phones are in our lockers and we can only access them during breaks

Lifeisabeach09 · 02/06/2019 10:24

HCAs who actually do most of what used to be called nursing, are poorly paid.

Whilst I agree with the PP who said HCAs are poorly paid for what they do, you are wrong to assume that most nurses don't wash, feed or toilet their patients.
On the wards I've been on, there aren't enough HCAs to do all of this--so nurses have to provide personal care in addition to meds, notes, dressings, obs, etc.

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