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Nurses watching tv/surfing the internet

393 replies

UB40fan · 28/05/2019 23:47

My daughter was recently in hospital. While there we witnessed nurses watching an hour long tv show and surfing the internet. It was quiet in the hospital at the time. I was stunned by this. The nurses were quite open about this, as in this was obviously allowed. Am i the one behind the times or is this now normal?

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MrMakersFartyParty · 29/05/2019 20:05

@TitianaTitsling I do hope your husband knows we pay is wages and he'd better be very grateful Hmm

TitianaTitsling · 29/05/2019 20:15

He is doffing his cap, whilst simultaneously saluting to show his gratitude mrmaker!

user1552403235 · 29/05/2019 20:23

Bit off topic. I've a nurse, sorry nursing sister living next door to me. An absolute horrid up herself bitch. I can't imagine why she became a nurse.

Chinnychinnychinnychib · 29/05/2019 20:32

You know nurses pay tax too, yes?

Chinnychinnychinnychib · 29/05/2019 20:33

And what was the tv show?

JorlyWood · 29/05/2019 20:56

You need to make a complaint if there is anything you are not happy with. That's how hospitals are going to improve. I work as an HCA and my trust actively encourages people to speak up and make complaints so issues can be sorted. There is no point moaning on an internet forum.

And yeah, most of us work hard. Some are lazy buggers but then that's the same everywhere.

DaveMinion · 29/05/2019 21:02

I work in theatres. We don’t stop and have to be available 24/7. But at night we only do cases in life or death emergencies so we are there but there is nothing for us to do unless there is a patient that needs us. So once all the jobs around the department are done such as stocking up and putting away from previous day/getting out for next day, we don’t have much to do and aren’t allowed to sleep so best way to stay awake is to watch films etc. But you won’t see us as we are behind the scenes. And if you need us to save your life, we are ready and waiting.

However, we are an exception I think as we aren’t so much patient facing. It wouldn’t be so acceptable for us if we were on a ward. Sometimes our recovery has some escalation patients if there is a shortage of critical care beds and that would be a big no no to do that in there with patients in. Our trust is very big on staff not sleeping at night too. They do still but that’s their risk (I never have anyway as it makes me feel worse).

DaveMinion · 29/05/2019 21:03

Ps we get Netflix on our nhs staff WiFi

AnneElliott · 29/05/2019 21:05

Crushed

But surely everyone is deserving of respect - not just nurses? There's lots of difficult public sector jobs that don't pay what they should - police, ambulance etc?

I respect anyone that does their job well - but not those who don't. No reason why terrible/lazy people should be respected by anyone.

notacooldad · 29/05/2019 21:06

I just think if a person worked in a “normal job” and it was not busy then you could not sit and basically watch tv
I can.
I'm at work now and will be for an hour and half.
My manager hasn't got a problem with it for various reasons.
In fact she just sent me a meme on the phone.

Polarbearflavour · 29/05/2019 21:28

I’ve had several jobs where I’ve worked from home and watched Netflix. My work got done, I got good appraisals. And one of them was a public sector job! I’m sure a few people on here will be wetting themselves with rage.

Loftyswops988 · 29/05/2019 21:37

How can you be sure the nurse wasn't on her break? Where I work I often sit watching TV when I am on my official break... hadn't occurred to me that people might bitch about me on mumsnet. I work hard throughout my shift and my break is precious to me, but where I sit to watch tv is in a common area where people can see me - how do you know this wasn't the case in the hospital?

Bacardi101 · 29/05/2019 21:43

I am unfortunately in hospital a lot and I have seen some awful things especially with elderly care. Urine bags leaking over the floor due to not being emptied. Food being left out of reach of patients that would not have had the capacity to press the call button. Soiled pjs ignored. I have on several occasions got out of bed to help feed one of the ladies on the ward as I couldn’t live with myself having a full belly watching the lady opposite me not have a mouthful as the staff aren’t available to feed her. A lot of these times when I’ve gone to get a nurse to ask for help ect they have been using phones ect. Don’t get me wrong some are true angels others not so much.

Buster72 · 29/05/2019 21:48

@ub40fan

You have not worked in 30 years, do you mind telling us what you did in 1989? Just because it would infom the debate as to your knowledge of "work "

Personally I have worked in offices where everyone arrived at 9 did their tasks and left at 5, with a strict break. There were orders to fufill and and no ebb and flow everything was planned out.

I have also worked in environments where no amount of planning could account for what was coming your way. Busy or quiet it could turn on a penny.

You said yourself it was quiet....so what were you expecting?

FenellaMaxwell · 29/05/2019 21:49

When my DS was admitted to intensive care at 4 weeks old, the nurses were nothing but lovely. In the 10 days I was on the ward, if it wasn’t busy they would take it in turns to have an extra “break”, which they’d take by sitting in with one of the patients to encourage their anxious parents to take a few minutes to stretch their legs and to get a coffee, knowing they didn’t have to leave their child alone. When I was going out of my mind with worry that first night, the bank nurse who looked after us when we were admitted to the ward sat with me to eat his sandwiches, and got me to do his crossword with him to calm me down. Sometimes a break isn’t just for the nurse!

DutifulDaughterWifeMother · 29/05/2019 22:01

I have seen both sides of the coin. Having had to stay with partner in st Mary’s hospital in London their ICU nurses are angels. They were given breaks and I stayed with my partner the entire 5 days he was in there. When they moved him to a ward it was a whole different experience and not for the better either. The nurses wouldn’t bother doing something about the bins that were over spilling they would just throw whatever onto the floor and walk over it. It was disgusting and they stood around chatting, ignoring patient bells. I took pictures and took it to Pals who said they had already had complaints about the same issues. Patients were not treated respectfully but the ones who stepped up were the amazing male and female student nurses. I can give you good and bad stories but until complaints are taken seriously and dealt with openly rather than closing ranks and protecting people who most definitely are in the wrong profession stories such as mine will continue along with everyone else’s. Our NHS is brilliant but also deeply flawed, under staffed and definitely does not pay what the staff deserve. I will forever be in debt to the surgeon who saved my partners life along with the excellent care he received but we should be honest and open that there are people who need to be removed from this profession.

Yellowpolkadot · 29/05/2019 22:09

When we were on the ward after DDs NICU stay waiting to be released home, we were there for a week and were the only people on the transitional ward with medical need (2 families were being assessed by SS) it was extremely quiet and they did watch tv, but I do not blame them, I also saw them a few days before running around after a full ward of medical need. Swings and roundabouts!

RichYorks · 30/05/2019 00:27

Interesting reading the comments, good and bad! There will always be cases of poor practice in healthcare unfortunately (not saying that's the case in the OP but certainly from some of the testimonies posted later!).

I do feel that there is a growing problem with HCPs becoming burned out and suffering from compassion fatigue: increasing pressure to always be performing and facing complaints takes its tole. It's also not just as simple as 'well if they feel like that they should quit', people have mortgages to pay + there are huge staff shortages already.

Considering the nurse in the original post, say they were watching Britain's got talent whilst there was a lull in work/or clerking etc, how well do you think they're going to perform after hearing that one of the patients/relatives has taken the time to lodge a complaint against them and they've had a slap on the wrist? Do you think they're going to be rushing about smiling and going the extra mile for the patients? Or does it concern you that it may contribute or cause a problem? We spend an ever increasing amount of time writing elaborate statements for the most nonsensical of complaints!

A recent example of a complaint against me is the following (anonymised!) account: Whilst working on an ambulance car I was dispatched to assess an elderly patient whom had fallen at home and couldn't get up, the job was about 3 hours old and it was a very busy night. on route I was diverted to a patient in their twenties whom had called 999 to say they couldn't breath. When I arrived I was met by a pt that said they were having one of their panic attacks and needed a paper back to help breath - We don't carry paper bags, and either way this is an old wives tale treatment and doesn't help - I spent nearly two hours on scene coaching them into a calm state, talking them through some breathing exercises and talking about their past/what let to them having this attack whilst also performing a thorough exam to rule out other causes despite their instance it was one of their panic attacks and then documenting the history and examination. I made no mention to them of the elderly patient I knew would still be alone in part because of them. I was kind and patient and took the time to avoid an unnecessary hospital admission whilst hopefully enabling them to manage themselves more appropriately in future. Shortly after this incident I found this patient had lodged an official complaint against me for refusing to give them a paper bag. When some older hands heard about it there were many comments along the lines of 'dont waste time helping those whom can't be bothered to help themselves' and deriding me for not telling the patient they were a time waster and walking out the door the minute they said they were having one of their panic attacks. Whilst that's not a way I'm happy to treat people the complaint certainly allowed me to better understand how people get that way!

Compassion fatigue leading to apathy is a very real problem, I think most working in healthcare will see examples of it and I think this is why we need to protect and defend those working in hospitals as they are at the greatest risk. Protect them so they can better protect us!

Calltheguards · 30/05/2019 00:37

I don't even understand the complaints procedures. If the patient has received safe care, shouldn't that be enough? There's no money left to pay staff what they actually deserve so no one should be lodging any complaints if they aren't to do with patient safety. If you have received care and are on the mend, then be thankful. The complaints system just seems to be a drive to say that "Such and such" hospital or centre is bad and needs to be shut down, which forces more patients to use fewer hospitals and results in overcrowding/worse care.

Xmas2020 · 30/05/2019 00:49

Im an A&E nurse and although on maternity leave atm, in all the years i have been in nursing, i think i have never seen any one sit for an hour watching TV. We are not even allowed to bring a hot drink out to the nurses station because we are not allowed to be seen drinking coffee when patients are waiting to be seen.

Our Hospital has changed so much for the worse over the last 10 years. Staff are leaving, or ringing in sick, our Porters and Paramedics are treat like shit from management, but you would be surprised at literally what people will complain about.

DharmaInitiativeLady · 30/05/2019 01:10

Brilliant @tomatosalt....I'll join you!

I've never, ever worked on a ward where I could a) take a break of any form b) get my bum anywhere near a seat throughout the whole shift or c) 30 seconds to pee.....where is this ward you speak of?

YouBumder · 30/05/2019 01:18

If it was say nightshift, quiet and they were available to carry out duties required I don’t really see the problem. They need to be present, it surely didn’t mean that patients will need assistance the whole shift, but they need to be there in case they do.

However, using a mobile phone I would definitely report as it could be an adult/child protection issue due to the phone.

YouBumder · 30/05/2019 01:19

Due to the camera

DharmaInitiativeLady · 30/05/2019 01:23

@Ministerofcheekyfuckery

Me too, you summed up my thoughts exactly. I have also left nursing recently for this exact reason.

Xmas2020 · 30/05/2019 01:26

@YouBumder if you are watching TV who is monitoring the patients?

The only time i have ever watched TV at work is when I took someone up to the medical assessment unit and literally the whole unit was sat shocked including the patients at the news that Michael Jackson had died!

After handing my patient over i stood with the rest of the 6 bedder watching the breaking news. When i went back down to A&E and told everyone, no one believed me!