To Think This Might Break Brexit Deadlock

[donotcovertheradiator]

I am a staunch remainer and believe the Remain side came out tops on Thursday.

But as we appear to be steamrolling towards crashing out, no matter what, might this be a way forward, although it's not ideal by any means at all.

As most leavers-those who tell the truth-admit that free movement is what enraged them because before that, they just quietly grumbled-there was no real push to move-could this work?

The UK opts out of the Free Movement deals-brings in a points system for immigrants and, if that happens, stays in the UK.

I think most leavers would accept that and , although ending free movement sticks in the craw, it would at least mean that we stay in the EU>

We don't need to negotiate to stay in though

I think you'll find that not all leavers voted on the basis of immigration

Absolutely this, despite what the remain morons keep spouting like a broken record.

As kalopali said. My leave vote had nothing to do with immigration.

And I love the implication in the op that Leavers who say otherwise are lying.

donotcovertheradiator

You offer no proof just your own bias.

Oh ffs. You again?

We don't need to negotiate to stay in though

Of course we don't, i was replying in context to the OP's suggestion.

Either way, we need to heal the divisions across our country, they are very dangerous and things like this are how wars and terrorist campaigns start, we are a long way from that but if a way can be found to bring the country together again, it should be done.

@ Alexa So sorry. Didn't realise that someone had died and made you Board Monitor and that I should have applied to you before making a post.

If that's the case, how can we all contact you for permission and if it isn't, why are you giving yourself airs! Silly Billy!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there must be a way to break this deadlock before the unthinkable happens.

Absolutely this, despite what the remain morons keep spouting like a broken record

£350m and "Breaking point" were the mantra of Leave.

Only 650k voters needed to have voted remain and result would have been entirely different.

Pretending immigration did have a major impact on the referendum result is rewriting history.

Should be did not have an impact....

Nothing is going to break the deadlock IMHO

All the polls and everything else shows is this is split down the middle - with neither side prepared to budge

All any of it shows is how broke and divided the UK is - and I can't see how any leave or remain outcome is going to heal it

donotcovertheradiator. I should have thought you’d had enough ridicule on your other thread to last you a lifetime.

Really! Many agreed with me.

Do you have anything to add to the debate or do you just hang about waiting to take the piss out of those who stick their head above the parapet? You're pretty lame at that, so why not try joining in the discussion or starting one of your own.

Of course, hang about and try to take the piss if that's your level...you do whatever makes you happiest.

YABVU OP

You claim to know the precise mindset of 17+ million people and then go on to suggest "solutions" which you freely admit cannot possibly work.

I don't think the future PM is trawling Mumsnet to find out a way to fix their problem.

Well the country isn't 'split down the middle'. Voting in Euro elections indicate a wish to Remain i.e. 'remain' parties did really well, and the Brexit/UKIP vote remains about 10% of the population. Surveys put it at 55-45 Remain.

I said, in my OP, most leavers and although I haven't done a survey and can-like most of us only use anecdotal evidence-what I have heard leads me to suppose that free movement was a pretty important factor-if not the most important-in the minds of those who wanted to leave.

Naturally, I respect the anecdotal evidence of those who say that isn't the case as they may have heard differently in their neck of the woods. In my neck of the woods, most of those who voted to leave were prompted by concerns about free movement.

Of course immigration was the main factor behind the Leave vote, how can anybody even pretend this wasn't the case.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-latest-news-leave-eu-immigration-main-reason-european-union-survey-a7811651.html

The only thing I can see that will break the deadlock is another referendum with two options, 1. Leave, no deal. or 2. Remain.

And before people complaine that we already had a referendum, the people have spoken blar blar blar. The Leave campaign promised a deal with the EU they have failed to deliver what was promised.

MrPan - what utter rot you talk. Try listening to John Curtice or reading Lord Ashcroft's analysis.

In any case, the whole thing is moot. The next Conservative Leader and PM will be a Brexiteer and we will be leaving the EU on the 31st October - probably without a deal.

Spin away, but the Remain camp couldn't even manage to win a single English region outside London on Thursday - and more people signed a petition than turned out to vote.

Immigration was not the biggest issue in the referendum for Leave voters: lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

elf - you'd have to point out which bit of what I'd said was rot?

Or are we remaining in the fact-free environment so beloved of brexiters?

And as for somebody suggesting most people voted Leave to be out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ most people had never even heard of the ECJ. Even Teresa May confused it with the ECHR.

Or turn it into a slogan and that's the same as an empirically-observed fact, isn't it?

I haven't done a survey and can-like most of us only use anecdotal evidence-what I have heard leads me to suppose that free movement was a pretty important factor-if not the most important-in the minds of those who wanted to leave.

Or you could stop relying on anecdotes as if they were facts.

Even the various surveys and polls are operating on a tiny sample size.

The fact is that we don't (and will never) know why "most" people voted as they did and even if we did it won't help unless there was a single simple answer - which in a population of 17 million seems unlikely.

The part that the result for the EU Parliamentaries indicated a wish to Remain... utter rot. Let's see who wins the Peterborough by-election shall we.

In any case, I don't need to hang around on here arguing... Remain is dead as a dodo.

My ex definitely voted on the basis of immigration, but then he's a racist, xenophobic twat.