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Landlord won't let tenants decorate thread 2

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WhiteDust · 27/05/2019 23:24

So the thread has reached 1k. Hoping
NurseJackie
makes another one but if not, here's post 1001 from me in reply post 1K

Like I have already said...how many of you homeowners have lived next to a house of multiple occupancy where the residents are ex offenders.

1st,2nd,3rd 'home' : Rental properties. Studio flats in rough area of city. Druggies everywhere. 3years.

1st mortgaged house : Terrace. 2 up 2 down in very rough, poor area. Mattresses in back passage used as trampoline by local kids. Car broken into numerous times. Teens and druggies in same place hanging around at all hours. On edge of rough council estate. Damp and grim house. 5 years there.

2nd mortgaged house: 2 bed semi slightly further out. Quieter but still troubled area. Backed onto railway line used by people doing their stuff. Near high school. People always hanging around. 4 years there.

3rd mortgaged house: Nice house on quiet estate. Nice area. Mortgaged to max. Couldn't afford to decorate for 10+ years, too busy saving for/ paying for new roof & fixing damp/ electrics, kitchen/ bathroom. Decorated some of it after 10 years. Parts of house still need decorating 15 years after purchase. Can't afford to yet. Just paid for new boiler/ windows.

27 years OP of renting/ paying mortgage.
Our mortgage is up next year and I'm most likely the very person you look at and think has it easier than you. We haven't lived in luxury. Far from it. Like I said earlier. The colour of walls is the least of many home owners problems. It's taken YEARS to get this far.

OP posts:
LaurieMarlow · 28/05/2019 16:36

landlords are very very poor and tenants have tons of money and are just taking the piss.

I think IAm has highlighted the ridiculousness of this position.

Sure there are some lifelong renters with good pensions, but we all know that in the vast majority of cases lifelong renters are not such because they want to be and are generally a lot worse off in retirement than their landlords.

It’s not a good look to try and minimise that.

swingofthings · 28/05/2019 17:00

Are you happy now?
No because it is not at all what I've said. The frustration here is the common generalisation made x9nstsntly about landlords. The moment you mention you're a landlord, before you had the chance to talk about your situation and how you got there, assumptions are made that 1/ you have tons of disposable income; 2/you're making tons of money out of it; 3/ you don't care about the welfare your tenants; 4/You couldn't possibly have been in a situation of having to pay thousands in repairs and redecorating after only a couple of years renting because normal tenants don't do 5bings like that.

I am in no way comparing the life of a LL or even a home owner with that of a tenant. What I am saying is that most landlords who impose things like no pet or painting don't do it because they are tight, or get a kick out of making sure their tenants don't get to feel at home, but because sadly, there are too many tenants who take fail to treat their rental properties as they would theirs (or should). I would love to post pictures of the remedial painting previous tenants have left my property. They were leaving, they didn't care. They bought the cheapest quality paint, only painted one coat, rushed it and left it looking dreadful. Getting anything close to what it cost to redo it right from the deposit scheme is next to impossible.

So my question is: do you think it is right and fair that a landlord should spend a lot of money redecorating a property to make it look nice for you to move in when it had been professionally painted only 1 year before only because they didn't like the colours? When you might paint it yourself and again do a poor job getting it back to the previous standard when you decide to move to another town 6 months after moving in?

Ofitck · 28/05/2019 17:19

We (early thirties) have recently bought a flat in a block where everyone is retired or nearly. From the moment we got here they treated us horrobly, complaining loudly to each other within earshot about our noisy children, the fact our balcony flowers were gaudy (they’re white!), our car not clean enough etc. The looks they gave us were poison. Then we turned up at the council meeting and they were shocked, “where’s previous owner?” When we replied that she’d sold to us and moved away they were suddenly extremely friendly and welcoming. One actually said “we thought you were just renting, they never look after the place.” (Which is ridiculous because ever single one of them bought it as a new build so there’s never been a renter here). There is a disgusting attitude towards renters.

We had a lot of family help, which we are extremely lucky and grateful to have had. It would have been impossible otherwise as our rent was more than our mortgage.

Grumpymug · 28/05/2019 17:51

Personally, neither do I, and I've allowed tenants to put up picture hooks, shelves and paint as long as they're not dark colours, but no tenant has ever put the property back to the way it was whenever they took it on, especially as they can claim fair wear and tear.

But why would a few picture hooks and a wall of say, pale yellow in a kitchen, put off a potential renter? That's the bit I don't get. I've moved into places that have colour schemes in rooms and picture hooks on the walls already - great I can hang some pictures, but I've had to live with the colour schemes in the other rooms because I'm not allowed to decorate at all. My DD lived in a blue bedroom for a year because it was that way when we moved in from the LL buying it. Not a massive deal, but it was to an 8 year old, and no posters allowed on the walls. After a year I asked to redecorate and was told no, the house was for sale anyway! Oh right well thanks for telling me, not like it affects me or anything is it! He admitted he didn't want to tell me until he had viewings because I might move out and leave him in the lurch. Perfectly acceptable to leave me in the lurch trying to find somewhere quick to move to though! Oh but it's the LLs right to sell when he wants. He also tried to keep part of my deposit for the back door that broke shortly after we moved in, that I reported, and that he failed to fix - it was old, it should have been replaced before I moved in really, but tbh we needed somewhere pretty fast as the LL before had already sold up, and I had a month. Those are the types of choices renters face.

A property is a tenants home, I agree completely, but when tenants want to be able to do things like have a dog, which will automatically mean the carpets need replacing when they leave, there could be scratches on doors or whatever and none of the costs of fixing those things will be down to the tenant because of fair wear and tear, then it makes sense for the LL to say no

Why are LLs only finding these things after they've moved? I've had a mixed bag when it comes to renting and inspections, with one never bothering and then texting me 3 weeks after I moved to say it wasn't clean enough and he was keeping my deposit - which he didn't manage to because I had proof. To the one who let himself in claiming he'd sent a text, to one through an LA that used to email me (every couple of months) at 5pm saying they were coming at 5pm the next day, and it was a condition of my tenancy. They didn't care if I was at work and couldn't rearrange at such short notice, I just got hassle. But the point is, I have no problems with my home being inspected to make sure it's ok, and I'd expect anything to be addressed then. As long as it's done properly and not dumped on me and I'm given hassle for not being able to be available. Why are these things only being found when people moved out? Why aren't they being picked up and addressed on inspections if it's so paramount that the house be kept perfect for the next tenant? Much easier to deal with people while they're there surely?

If I knew that I could take a bigger, non refundable deposit to allow animals, and I knew that any costs of damage would be covered by the tenant even if it cost more than the deposit, if I wouldn't have to fight to keep any deposit and it was expected that tenants return a property in the same state it was taken on, then I'd be able to afford to be a lot more flexible about pets. But ultimately, because the law fails good landlords, its good tenants that suffer.

When you say about fighting for the deposit etc, that's because poor LLs have ripped off good tenants, so the deposit protection scheme was put into place, which sometimes means that good LLs are suffering because of the bad ones. The same reasoning that you're giving for good tenants suffering because of bad ones.
And has the new legislation prevented 'pet deposits'? I am now in social housing but I have as recently as a couple of years ago paid extra for having a dog.

I also don't understand why a dog living in the property automatically means changing carpets either. I regularly clean my carpets and always have with having dogs, and I always do when leaving a property, regardless of having a dog or not. In fact it works out cheaper to save up a bit and just get someone in for me (several reasons) my dogs also don't pee/poo everywhere, and I hoover so there's not dog hair everywhere. And when my DD totally ruined her bedroom carpet with foundation fecking teens! I informed the LL straight away, she laughed and said if it didn't come out, she'd keep the cost of a like for like (minus the fact it was a fairly old carpet anyway) from my deposit, or I could replace it myself with a similar priced one to what she would keep. (She advised the former though, because she'd had teens!)

HelenaDove · 30/05/2019 18:12

Appalling examples here which show how tenants are expected to let dodgy contractors back in their homes and have no choice.

uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.wates.co.uk

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