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May has 2 weeks to revoke Article 50 and limit the damage Boris will cause

35 replies

Unfinishedkitchen · 25/05/2019 07:10

As a Londoner I saw first hand how useless, lazy and awful Boris was. I was dismayed that after his failure as mayor of London, he managed to become the Foreign Secretary where he insulted others and almost got that poor woman’s sentence increased in Iran.

He’s now baying for a no deal Brexit.

This man is dangerous (with an awesome PR team) and his damage must be limited.

AIBU to think TM should revoke A50? She has 2 weeks left and nothing to lose.

OP posts:
needmorespace · 25/05/2019 07:12

yep
we can hope...

AnnaDine · 25/05/2019 07:18

Fingers crossed

Provincialbelle · 25/05/2019 07:22

No chance she will be able to. Corbyn is a life long Brexiteer and under EU rules McDonnell’s plans for nationalisation at less than market rates wouldn’t work.

(As someone who works in the City, I can assure you McDonnell would wreck far more damage than Brexit. Yes society should be much fairer, but there are other ways of going about it than Venezuela)

ShitAtScarbble · 25/05/2019 07:25

Nice idea OP. Not going to happen though because, as Provincialbelle says, Corbyn.
It's a sad state of affairs where an arse like Johnson slides in because the other side is so piss poor.

As an aside, someone on Radio 4 has just suggested we 'get our ducks in a row'. Gawd help us all.

EssentialHummus · 25/05/2019 07:26

If only. My ideal for yesterday would have been, “I now realise that a much longer, less time pressured consultation period is needed for the British people to determine our approach to Brexit, particularly in respect of Ireland. I’m sorry not to have understood the magnitude of disagreement. I therefore revoke Article 50 and also resign.”

namechange34 · 25/05/2019 07:29

I wish, but sadly won't happen

SinkGirl · 25/05/2019 07:30

As someone who works in the City, I can assure you McDonnell would wreck far more damage than Brexit. Yes society should be much fairer, but there are other ways of going about it than Venezuela

Have my first massive eye roll of the day... 🙄

Helmetbymidnight · 25/05/2019 07:34

no-deal brexit will destroy the city- as you know.
boris 'fuck business' johnson is out only for himself- hes a disaster.

Unfinishedkitchen · 25/05/2019 07:39

There is no chance of Labour getting in under a Corbyn leadership. Labour don’t stand a chance until he’s gone so I’m not worried about McDonnell.

I’m more concerned about the immediate danger of Boris ‘fuck business’ Johnson being in charge. He genuinely doesn’t give a fuck. All he wants is the job title. Even if he lasts 6 months he can fulfil his desire of comparing himself to Churchill. He can then do the after part dinner circuit and write more books and newspaper columns.

I despise May but I could see that she was doing what she thought was best for the country. She was awful and one of the worst decision makers I’ve ever seen in a senior role but she did appear to see the role of PM as one of public service.

Boris sees it as a status thing, a potential money making machine which will possibly make him more attractive to women (he’s a serial cheat).

I’ve never seen someone manage to fail upwards so spectacularly. Just because he’s posh, can speak some Latin and is extremely ambitious. His level of entitlement is astounding.

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HarryElephante · 25/05/2019 07:47

As someone who works in the City, I can assure you McDonnell would wreck far more damage than Brexit. Yes society should be much fairer, but there are other ways of going about it than Venezuela

Oh my days. The amount of time I hear Tories use Venezuela as a reason not to vote for Corbyn does my head in. Venezuela is a basketcase run by inept and corrupt politicians. Just as Greece was, just as Argentina was. Just as Zimbabwe is. These last three economies tanked not because of capitilism (just as Venezuela's has not tanked because of socialism) but because of the corrupt politicians in charge.

I alsi spent a decade in the city (not that this means jack) and am - or was - a lifelong Labour supporter. I agree with you that Labour under Corbyn would do more and more longlasting damage than Johnson could ever do with a no deal brexit. But using Venezuela as an example of this is either disingenuous, or just plain stupid.

JuneFromBethesda · 25/05/2019 07:51

Matthew Parris has written a good article for the Spectator arguing that Johnson (whom he doesn’t appear to like much) could be the man to put an end to Brexit after all - not because BJ doesn’t want Brexit but because it’s simply not possible to deliver it.

The options for the next PM are:

  1. Go back to the EU and negotiate a better deal, which the EU have said won’t happen
  2. No deal, which Parliament won’t accept
  3. Revoke

So the next PM, returning from negotiations with the EU empty-handed, has to sell the truth of this to the rest of his party, to Parliament and to the voters. Parris argues that Johnson, with his characteristic bluster, will be able to sell this better than any of the other candidates.

www.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/only-boris-can-bury-brexit/

MaMaMaMySharona · 25/05/2019 08:07

JuneFromBethesda that is a brilliant article and has given me a tiny speck of hope after 3 years of constant worry!

I am desperate for article 50 to be revoked, any delay to leaving is a positive as it gives the British public more time to understand that leaving at the moment just isn’t viable. May was a fool for putting such a ridiculous time limit on it.

I’m getting married early October and would love to be able to change my name on my passport, but at the moment that would leave me with a blue one - something I am desperate not to have!

Provincialbelle · 25/05/2019 08:08

Hello to the eye rollers. In a short post on the phone it isn’t possible to spell out a detailed set of reasons why Corbyn/McM will fail the country. Venezuela is shorthand for unintelligent spending - which they endorsed loudly.

So here is a bit more detail. mcD wants to nationalise energy suppliers, water and other utilities. He does not intend to pay market rates to shareholders. That will be the end of investment into Britain, because he has given a clear signal that the Government does not care for the rule of law. Secondly, he will increase borrowing massively to finance what he will pay them. We can expect a run on the pound, which will make repayment of the debt crippling, so assuming the lenders were unwise enough to lend in Sterling we will then get large scale inflation.

DippyAvocado · 25/05/2019 08:15

No chance she will be able to. Corbyn is a life long Brexiteer

I think revoking article 50 is the one thing TM can do unilaterally so she wouldn't need the support of Corbyn. She just has to write a letter.

I can't see it happening but it would be a good parting shot 😁

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 25/05/2019 08:18
HarryElephante · 25/05/2019 08:23

Venezuela is shorthand for unintelligent spending - which they endorsed loudly

So is Greece. The link is not socialism. Not matter what your city friends tell you.

And maybe don't trust them anyway. After all, they couldn't spot the very obvious flaws in CDSs until it was too late.

Helmetbymidnight · 25/05/2019 08:27

corbyn is unelectable- he isnt getting in.

brexit - and the prospect of brexit has been damaging the economy for the past three years. it will continue doing so - only a hard brexit will be fatal.

HarryElephante · 25/05/2019 08:30

only a hard brexit will be fatal

Why?

JuneFromBethesda · 25/05/2019 08:32

MaMaMaSharona it gave me hope too - sometimes I think even a vague glimmer of optimism when it comes to Brexit (not happening) is a very dangerous thing, but Parris makes a persuasive argument ...

TheAverageJuror · 25/05/2019 08:33

She can't just turn around and say "Fuck this. I am revoking art 50".
There are procedures. Parliament would most likely have to vote on it, notification to European council...
Theory that Government could use Royal Perogative and bypass the Parliament sounds nice, but it just wouldn't happen after the Miller case in 2017.

Buddytheelf85 · 25/05/2019 08:33

Venezuela is a basketcase run by inept and corrupt politicians. Just as Greece was, just as Argentina was. Just as Zimbabwe is. These last three economies tanked not because of capitilism (just as Venezuela's has not tanked because of socialism) but because of the corrupt politicians in charge.

Absolutely. But isn’t the concerning point that Corbyn supports and venerates said corrupt politicians?

Provincialbelle · 25/05/2019 08:34

Greece failed because it kept spending money it didn’t have. Exactly as Corbyn would. Doesn’t matter if you call it socialism or anything else

longwayoff · 25/05/2019 08:37

And Harry still asking "Why?" . Honestly. Hope withers and begins to die.

badlydrawnperson · 25/05/2019 08:38

@theaveragejuror I think you are right - that ship sailed with Gina Miller so YABU OP

HarryElephante · 25/05/2019 08:46

Greece failed because it kept spending money it didn’t have. Exactly as Corbyn would. Doesn’t matter if you call it socialism or anything else

Indeed. But the link made by the right is always socialism. Every time. And it's wrong. Every time.

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