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To be shocked #deniedmyvote

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DizzyPigeon · 23/05/2019 13:31

I haven't been denied my vote, but I'm shocked to hear that EU citizens in the UK have been denied a vote despite being registered and previously voting, because of a form the should have been sent, but never received.

OK, ianbu.

But it could be seen as a deliberate attempt to reduce the remainder vote in the elections which the Conservative Party (or at least the leader of the tories) wanted to avoid taking place.

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Ces6 · 23/05/2019 13:35

I think it is part deliberate and part incompetence. For a long time postal votes abroad have failed because they are sent out with insufficient postage and with insufficient time to send them back. During the referendum itself, many British people abroad were denied a vote (including those who had the right to) because of being misinformed by electoral offices, or not receiving their papers in time. I used to really believe in the democratic process in the UK but unfortunately there are too many people in the system now who don't care or who deliberately want to disenfranchise others. It's disgusting.

Justbreathing · 23/05/2019 13:36

Sounds more like incompetence to me.
I mean it’s local council run isn’t it. You try and get them to do anything effectively and efficiently on time.

CaptainButtock · 23/05/2019 13:39

Tbf, they’re pretty good at taking your council tax on time...

Pinkvoid · 23/05/2019 13:44

they’re pretty good at taking your council tax on time...

And chasing you if you miss a payment.

Incompetence I’d say more than some deliberate conspiracy.

OnePotMeal · 23/05/2019 13:53

And lots of forms that were received and returned well in time were never processed. Hard to believe it hasn't been deliberately deprioritised, when this is something that has always happened without any problem in previous elections. In fact, I would think processing the forms would probably take less time than going through each polling station's registers last night and crossing out the names of affected people by hand.

The Guardian wants to hear urgently from anyone affected - email [email protected] - as does Gina Miller's Remain United organisation - [email protected].

(I am not associated with either of them, just to be clear, but think this is only the latest appalling thing to which the UK is now stooping.)

Damntheman · 23/05/2019 13:55

This happened to me this time around. I have a proxy vote because I live abroad and my consituency failed to tell me I needed to submit a new form this time. I found out when I contacted them about something related to this and was told the deadline to post this form in was the next day. Impossible.

I'm fucking furious, I only have a couple more years in which to vote in the UK and I feel robbed of this opportunity.

PookieDo · 23/05/2019 13:58

I didn’t get a voting card

mumwon · 23/05/2019 13:58

this also affected eu citizens in this country who are entitled to vote - sent forms in time but were not given/told they needed to submit another form as well . yep really sounds free & democratic process especially when one individual was financial supported in a way that doesn't conform to eu etc law (NF I am looking at you! shaking my milk/soya shake meaningfully)

NoBaggyPants · 23/05/2019 14:02

@PookieDo You don't need one to go and vote (assuming you are voting in person).

Nesssie · 23/05/2019 14:03

But it could be seen as a deliberate attempt to reduce the remainder vote in the elections Is this the new excuse when a party loses now?

badlydrawnperson · 23/05/2019 14:14

Considering we're supposed to be leaving the EU in October, these elections will have a very short shelf life anyway, won't they?

TheElementsSong · 23/05/2019 14:14

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1131185997088268288?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Today I asked @theresa_may to make sure all #EUcitizens living in the UK can vote tomorrow by making the UC1 form available at all polling stations. As PM she could do this but she refused. I wonder why? 🤔

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/05/2019 14:14

But it could be seen as a deliberate attempt to reduce the remainder vote in the elections

I'm sure leavers will also be saying it's a deliberate attempt to reduce the number of leave votes.

Damntheman · 23/05/2019 14:16

Voter suppression is not a new thing Nesssie, you'd be foolish to imply it was.

PookieDo · 23/05/2019 14:17

It’s not just me none of the local residents got cards. Just weird
I am going later

TatianaLarina · 23/05/2019 14:17

Considering we're supposed to be leaving the EU in October, these elections will have a very short shelf life anyway, won't they?

With what WA?

MilkGoatee · 23/05/2019 14:17

It's nothing new. Due to being a citizen of another EU country you would be allowed to vote there also, but you're not allowed to vote in two places, so you have to make a declaration that you're not going to vote somewhere else as well.

This declaration has been required for every EU election, I've done it at least 3 times before.

endofthelinefinally · 23/05/2019 14:17

I remember visiting a very upset resident in a care home, the staff wouldn't assist her to organise her postal vote.
It subsequently became apparent that many sick, disabled and housebound people were also denied the opportunity to vote. It is shocking.
This is partly why I get so annoyed at people who can't be bothered to vote. Or don't even bother to find out anything about the people they are voting for - just vote for the same party because their parents did.

MrPan · 23/05/2019 14:19

It's part of the lazy attitude to democracy and it's safeguarding generally. We tend to view threats to democracy as happening in other countries, as we are soooo 'fair'.

Yet the breakdown in democratic habits and accountability, from the very top, has been highlighted in the Brexit process with lies and financial fraudulence being treated nonchalantly so it's perpetrators do it now with impunity. The Electoral Commission needs reforming and strengthening asap.

MrPan · 23/05/2019 14:22

Well it looks like we will be revoking Article 50 and remaining in the EU, or leaving with a cliff-edge no-deal Brexit. No-one can say which one it will be. A 'planned' Brexit is looking highly unlikely so the MEPs may well be there for years to come.

MrPan · 23/05/2019 14:30

It would be really good IF May were to revoke article 50 (if she can) as a farewell act. MPs can't decide on a form of Brexit and the country did not vote in 2016 for a no deal, so there is a good case to revoke. Leavers just failed to get their act together. In 3 years.

Playmytune · 23/05/2019 14:30

Yep DizzyPigeon of course it has to be TM’s fault! Confused
Might as well blame her for that as well!!

Interested in (so don’t shoot me down), do Brits living abroad get to vote in all U.K. elections?
Someone also said eu citizens living in U.K. also get to vote. Does their vote count in this country or in their country?

WhatUserNA · 23/05/2019 14:31

SO far, the only facts I can get from the media are: "Dozens" of people are complained, that's probably less than 40. Secondly, the only place named as having a problem with this is: Lewisham. A LAbour lead, remain seat.

This might mean that an inefficient council has cocked up. And the remain side are going to scream "Conspiracy!"

carrotflinger · 23/05/2019 14:32

I ended up with a postal vote for the UK and a voting card for the EU country I live in now. I will be voting where I live. I thought you were supposed to vote in the country you are resident in for the EU elections.
I chucked the UK postal vote in the bin because you are not allowed to vote twice. If I was dishonest I could have voted in both countries.
I've never had a postal vote from the UK for the EU elections before - just for the referendum and general elections.
Sounds like a right cock up.

Tanith · 23/05/2019 14:36

DH was told online that, if the polling station refuses your vote, you can ask for the returning officer. They have more recent information about this and you may still be allowed to vote.

Also heard of an EU lady who kicked up a monumental fuss and was subsequently allowed to vote.

I'm shocked, too, Op. It's an absolute disgrace! Angry

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