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Could anyone help with this Maths GCSE question please??

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E1nste1n · 20/05/2019 18:34

Thankyou - exam tomorrow!

Could anyone help with this Maths GCSE question please??
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TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:38

@noblegiraffe ?
I have disappointingly forgotten how to do this over the past 35 years.
it wasn't on DD1's GCSE syllabus.

Or OP repost in Secondary.

sd249 · 20/05/2019 18:38

If you differentiate this you get 2x^2 - 27.

A turning point would be when this = 0 so re arranging would give x to be 3 and -3.

Put these x values into the equation to give values of y then subtract them.

Hope this helps.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:40

sd249

Now I know where I was going wrong. I read it as x2 not x3 whereas obviously it had to be x^3 due to the two turning points. Blush

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:41

But when you differentiate you get 3x^2-27 =0 to give the correctly stated +3 or -3

bungaloid · 20/05/2019 18:42

In principle, the 1st derivative when equal to zero will give you the values of x at those points on the graph. Use those two values of x to give you a pair of simultaneous equations to solve for k.
Once you have the full form of the original equation, sub your x values to get y and hence solve the difference between b and d.

sd249 · 20/05/2019 18:44

Oh yeah - typo sorry!

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:46

You don't need to find k as you are subtracting the two y values

E1nste1n · 20/05/2019 18:47

I have to say this means nothing to me, but will show DS!

Thankyou

Also..,,,

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E1nste1n · 20/05/2019 18:49

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Could anyone help with this Maths GCSE question please??
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bungaloid · 20/05/2019 18:50

True, k comes out in the wash.

Makemeaname · 20/05/2019 18:50

@bungaloid don't need to solve for k -when you do b-d the ks cancel

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:52

When you differentiate, you are finding the gradient of the tangent to the curve at any place on the curve.
At a turning point the tangent is horizontal and so has zero gradient.

Explaining differentiation isn't something I'd like to try any further over a MN thread.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:55

sqrt(a) = a^1/2

So you have a1.5 / a-2 = a(1.5--2) = a3.5

k=3.5

I can't read the other one.

(Sorry for the diff explanation, your picture didn't come up first time round)

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 18:59

OK. I think it says 2n - 1 / 4n - 1

4n - 1 = 22n -1 = (2n - 1)(2n + 1)

So divide top and bottom by 2^n -1 and you end up with

1 / 2^n +1

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 19:00

These are quite hard. I assume your DS is hoping for a 7+ ?

E1nste1n · 20/05/2019 19:12

Thankyou for this.

It’s been some years since I did Maths GCSE.

This is the EdExcel IGCSE - first paper!

You can get up to a 9 with it, but there’s also “Further Maths” paper. Shock

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TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 19:17

All the papers should be equally hard, i.e. they shouldn't get harder.
The later questions in the paper are for the higher grades.
These look to me like questions which would be quite late on.
What is your DS hoping for?

KneelJustKneel · 20/05/2019 19:20

Wow. I got an A in maths and this I dont remember this...

E1nste1n · 20/05/2019 19:22

He’s hoping for 8 in maths. Last year in his school, over 50% got a 9, but he doesn’t think he’ll be in that half.

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Makemeaname · 20/05/2019 19:22

@kneel they updates the sylbabbus a year or so ago. I did mine 7 years ago and some of this stuff wasn't on until a level

silvercuckoo · 20/05/2019 19:24

I don't mean to be goady, but are these considered hard questions under the British school curriculum?

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 19:29

silver

Yes these are considered hard.
In a paper aimed at GCSE level.

GCSEs are taken at 15/16. The British system does not hold children back. These questions will be for the top 7-9 grades only.
The knowledge they require is of no use in everyday life and only helpful if they study maths/science/economics further.

TeenTimesTwo · 20/05/2019 19:30

NB This isn't really 'British' this is England & Wales.

cccameron · 20/05/2019 19:37

Why silvercuckoo? what country's curriculum would these be considered really easy?

silvercuckoo · 20/05/2019 19:39

@TeenTimesTwo
Thanks, I was genuinely interested. I am familiar only with my own country of origin maths curriculum, so was surprised when someone mentioned upthread that it is for an advanced secondary exam, seemed just a little bit too simple.
Just reinforces my decision to escape when my children are approaching secondary school age :)