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To hate Snape?

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DannyWallace · 15/05/2019 19:38

Rereading Harry Potter. I absolutely LOVE the books and have reread them a million times (seriously!)

But, I just don't get the fascination with him.

He was literally obsessed with Lily. He bullied children (especially Neville and when Hermiones teeth grew!). Yes he put himself in danger to save the wizards etc, but I don't think being a hero stops you being a complete arsehole!

People I know have the word "always" tattooed on them! Why? We teach kids not to bully but then say it's ok when Snape acts like that?!!

Ok, I'm very aware it's not real, but I get passionate about it 🤣

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HBStowe · 16/05/2019 08:53

Yes he did. Snape called Lily a "filthy Mudblood". HTH.

I don’t think that’s right

MallySally · 16/05/2019 09:06

You don't?

Why don't you run along and check, and get back to me.

MallySally · 16/05/2019 09:08

Actually I'll save you a job, seeing as I know the direct quote.

James: “There you go. You're lucky Evans was here, Snivellus -”

Snape: “I don't need help from filthy little Mudbloods like her!”

He later apologises to Lily for calling her a Mudblood.

Tunnockswafer · 16/05/2019 09:09

You may be over-invested in this.

DSHathawayGivesMeFannyGallops · 16/05/2019 09:12

Snape: Love the sinner hate the sin. The only thing that really makes him evil to me is picking on Neville.

MallySally · 16/05/2019 09:16

Why am I over-invested for providing a quote?

I've taught Harry Potter as part of the curriculum for a long time. I am a huge fan and run one of the largest fan-bases in the UK.

I know something that was asked, I'm pretty knowledgeable about the topic, I provided the quote. Your veiled attempt at patronising me hasn't worked Smile

HelveticaSurprise · 16/05/2019 09:32

Frankly, no one would appreciate his complexity of character if he had been played by someone other than Alan 'Thinking Woman's Crumpet' Rickman, especially if the actor was actually as skinny, hook-nosed and greasy-haired as the novels depict Snape as being.

And I think there should have been a special shout-out for the costume designer who managed to make Snape's cloaks do Special Cool Billowing.

Londonmummy66 · 16/05/2019 12:14

Its just a displacement for love of Alan Rickman...

Tunnockswafer · 16/05/2019 12:17

Mallysally you wrote this Why don't you run along and check, and get back to me to another random poster, and you think I am patronising? Grin

YetAnotherSpartacus · 16/05/2019 12:18

Yeah - I saw the movie before I read the book and ... Alan Rickman... SWOOOOOOOOOOON. Plus, I love that bit where he flounces into the first class and insults them all. I soooooo fantasise about doing this.

storm11111 · 16/05/2019 15:50

Snape is a neither good nor bad, he is both. That is kind of the point of him. Overall probably quite a bit more bad than good but there are many interesting aspects to him.

Bravery - he is brave enough to be a double agent when he knows the fate awaiting him if he is caught.

Loyal - even when lily is gone, he protects her son out of loyalty to her despite said son reminding him of the father he despises. He is eternally devoted to lily and the memory of her.

Cold/Selfish - he was willing for Harry and James to die as long as lily was saved.

A Bully - he enjoys bullying his students for what seems a bit of light entertainment. E.g. Neville

A hero - he implements the multiple harry plot to ensure his safety, he feeds Voldemort false information, he returns the griffindor sword to harry to destroy Voldemort, protects harry on the quidditch pitch

Vindictive - he gets Remus fired by letting on about him being a werewolf.

Tough - he can do the things that no one else would. he has the mental toughness to kill Dumbledore a dying man, a merciful act in the end, yet a really hard task to do

Protective - He becomes headmaster of Hogwarts to ultimately protect the students. although he has to turn a blind eye to the nastier aspects of the school but as all double agents do. he makes an unbreakable vow to protect draco

HBStowe · 16/05/2019 15:57

Fair enough - though I don’t think you’ve got much right to call someone else patronising after your wee ‘HTH’ / ‘Why don't you run along and check’ earlier Grin I know what it’s like to feel very passionate about a pet subject though, so my apologies for misremembering. Good motivation for me to read them again, it’s been a while.

I think @storm11111 gives a good assessment. There are complexities to his character. But I don’t think he comes anything close to being redeemed by the good he does do, given that the depths of his character are so dark.

DannyWallace · 16/05/2019 16:45

I LOVE that so many people are as passionate on the subject as me.

To add to what someone wrote above, it was Sirius that said "the world isn't split into good people and death eaters. We all have some light and dark inside us".

I agree that almost all the characters have good and bad points. Including Snape.
I just think he's so so so nasty though!

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Witchend · 16/05/2019 17:04

The problem with Snape is that I suspect that at the beginning JKR intended him to be fully bad. Either that or she wasn't able to portray him as she wanted him to be in her writing.

He immediately starts bullying Neville. He knows Neville's history and he has no reason for it. Now if he'd bullied Harry only, and been merely civil to the rest of the non-Slytherins, then you could argue that he's either hiding his affection for Harry, or that he's trying to toughen him up for what he knows will come later-the fight with Voldemore.
But he is almost cartoon nastiness in how he behaves-gives Miss Trunchbowl, who is cartoon nastiness more than a run for her money.
that's just in the first book.

Look at how he talks to Dumbledore about Harry: "He is mediocre to the last degree, though as obnoxious and self-satisfied as was his father before him."
That's not the talk of a teacher about a pupil. He's not talking to Malfoy about him, he'd trying to influence Dumbledore about him. At that point Voldemort is weakened to a point he's not going to be able to listen in-there is absolutely no need for it.

He was willing to let Voldemort kill Harry and James as long as he spared Lily. Even when he went to Dumbledore asking him to help, he was still only interested in saving Lily.

Then when he was meant to be teaching Harry occlumency. He makes no effort although he knows it will not just effect Harry, but potentially the whole Order of the Phoenix.

To make his redemption realistic JKR needed to show the dilemma which increases as Voldemort comes back to power. Does he help Harry, or does he pretend to bully him? She could have shown him behaving as Harry thinks as a bully, but in a way that he/the reader could look back and say "no he wasn't being nasty, he just had to make sure Harry mastered it because he needed to. He couldn't be nice and let Harry fail". But you reread the early books and don't see that. he's often nasty for the sake of being nasty.

He could have equally well been nice and told Voldemort he was doing it so he could be there to deliver Harry to him at the right time.
And anyway, surely the false Moody, who seemed to be fairly well in with Dumbledore, would have picked up that Dumbledore thought he was a double agent?

Harry giving Snape's name to his ds was lazy writing to me. It was trying to give Harry feelings towards Snape that weren't there throughout the books. He may have felt some gratitude, but I'm not sure even that was really necessary. Snape didn't die for Harry, he died because Voldemort needed Snape dead. Snape did not show Harry any affection-he really only wanted Harry to look at him at the end so he could pretend Lily was looking at him.

Snape only became a double agent because he had to. It wasn't for want of the right side winning he wanted to help. It was he promised Dumbledore "anything" if he'd save Lily. If Voldemort had promised the same he'd have promised him "anything".

GrandTheftWalrus · 16/05/2019 23:31

In the first potions class was the questions that Snape asked harry not equated to "I bitterly regret lily's death"?

BasilFaulty · 17/05/2019 02:39

Can we all at least agree that there could have been no other actor better than Rickman to play him? 💔

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