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To ask what sacrifices you make for the environment

290 replies

HarryElephante · 11/05/2019 09:10

So, do you make any? And I mean actual sacrifices. Not just putting recycling outside your front door or re-using old shopping bags.

And for the sake of this question, I will assume you agree we are harming the planet. If you don't agree that is for another thread!

I make annoyingly few sacrifices but am going to start.

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Seniorschoolmum · 11/05/2019 15:03

We’ve got meat consumption down to 4 days a week, and I’ve moved job so I do 9000 miles a year not 20,000. But that was for me (hate commuting) not specifically to save the planet.

TheFastandCurious · 11/05/2019 15:05

I force myself to eat a vegan lunch a few times a week even though I fucking hate it. I watched Sir David Attenborough’s Climate Change programme and he explained how the production of beef in particular causes lots of CO2 to be released.

I also just moved over to (more expensive) green energy.

I would consider them both sacrifices as I suffer for them and do it for no other reason than trying to do something for the planet.

AndromedaPerseus · 11/05/2019 15:11

Interesting thread I grew up in the 70/80s and think we have to go back to living like back then in order to protect the environment. I remember the following being the norm then:

Not have a family car and travelling by public transport everywhere or just walking
Weekly shop down the market with top ups at local shops where all food packed in paper bags then using a shopping trolley on a bus to bring it home
All kids from an early age walking to local school with lollipop people to help cross major roads
1 foreign holiday in 8years to visit family abroad
3 sets of clothes and undies, 1 coat, 1 pair of shoes and plimsolls which were only replaced if threadbare or outgrown
Passing outgrown clothes onto younger siblings/ relatives/ family friends
All meals cooked from scratch no ready meals
Takeaways were rare treats or fish and chips wrapped in newspaper
No central heating we had a gas fire in living room which was only turned on in winter
Household appliances were mended if broken and used until couldn’t be repaired
Things were only replaced if worn out eg DM had the same plastic washing up bowl for 15 years until it cracked and leaked
No clingfilm (I remember when this was introduced onto the market) everything stored in bowls with plates on top
Most liquids came in returnable glass bottles rather than plastic

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 11/05/2019 15:11

I no longer using soap powder and conditioner as I have a laundry egg. I dry outside on a line or in winter on clothes horses in the utility.
I have gone back to bars of soap rather than shower gel and,liquid soap. I am looking Into bar shampoo but so far have failed to find one that I like. I have a few more on order so hopefully I will find the right one soon.
I have reusable bags, don’t bag veg or fruit. Buy most veg and fruit from a local greengrocers who sell locally produced veg. He try to eat only what is in season.
I garden and grow bee friendly plants, don’t use chemicals on the garden if at all possible.a I have built a stumpery for insects. I compost all food and garden waste. I have a number of water butts to collect rain to water the garden and also reuse some brown water from the house.
I have hippos in the loos and take short showers rather than long baths.
Pets are fed tins rather than foil.
I don’t use cling film or foil but use glass or ceramic containers for left overs.
No wipes
Recycled loo roll
Use hankies rather than tissues
Buy second hand if available
Give to charity shop or free cycle anything not needed.

But I still need to drive and fly once a year to Europe.

Nuttyaboutnutella · 11/05/2019 15:16

I do a few things but could definitely do more. But I'm trying to be realistic in that Im in the thick of it with a 2 year old and being heavily pregnant.

Things I do:
Reusable nappies and wipes 90% of the time
Reusable sanitary pads for after I have the baby (had a mooncup pre-kids but struggled with it after my son was born)
Try and cook as much from scratch as possible
Use locally grown produce where possible
Grass-fed, local, high welfare meat
Eco-friendly cleaning products
Reusable water bottles for us and DS
Stopped using cling film
But mostly second hand books or use the library
Try to limit the amount of heating we use
Rarely fly

Things I will focus on as the kids get older and circumstances change:
Drive less and walk more (current house is in a lovely area but difficult to get places without driving and the bus fares are insane)
Grow more fruit and veg (current garden doesn't allow for much at the moment)
Use the dryer less which will help as weather gets nicer
Buy more second hand clothes and UK produced clothes (expanding figure has meant buying stuff in Asda etc)
Avoid palm oil
Make even more stuff from scratch
Make my own cleaning products

I'd love to get milk delivered on glass bottles but we buy organic milk/yoghurt which the local milkman doesn't do so a bit stuck there.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 11/05/2019 15:22

I buy most clothes second hand and have no children. Do have two dogs though.
I buy locally when I can, but it is hideously expensive so if I had to think about feeding kids then that wouldn't be an option.
I drive. It's a diesel, but don't care.
I fly - have to for work and also to visit friends in other countries and other parts of this one.

Life can be very very tough for some people, yes, me included, and this is just one more thing to think about and deal with and to be honest I can't be bothered. I'm tired. Have had a really rough few years and now I want to enjoy life. So sorry to all the virtual signallers.

Kernobhead · 11/05/2019 15:26

No children
Don’t have a car
Public transport or walk or cycle everywhere

Because of these ‘sacrifices ‘ I feel no guilt in eating meat, flying, using amazon regularly and generally just living my life.

Until there are some major changes to legislation and proper control across the world on emissions etc, people recycling their plastic bottles and wrapping sandwiches in wax paper will make such little difference it’s negligible.

Gone2far · 11/05/2019 15:27

So, for those who are giving up meat, don't you think it would be more useful to consider where your food was grown? What the air miles are, or the cost of heating polytunnels in this country to produce it. Assuming that you're not living on turnips, that is?
What's going to happen to the fertility and condition of the soil if it's constantly being used for crops? Are you happy for the marginal land that hill sheep feed off to return to the wild?

alltoomuchrightnow · 11/05/2019 15:31

No children
Vegan (who loved dairy)
Garden is knee high nettles and weeds, wildlife haven,neighbour hates it as their lounge window directly connected to it

kikisparks · 11/05/2019 15:33

@ParrotWithACarrot why do you hate your plant based lunch? Could you eat something nicer that’s also plant based?

Kernobhead · 11/05/2019 15:36

I have a couple of friends who jumped on the environmental bandwagon at the beginning of the year. Spent a fortune on metal water bottles, vacuum flasks, Tupperware, wax paper etc etc. All of which need manufacturing, transporting, etc.

Both lost interest pretty quickly and are back to buying water, coffees, lunch etc. I can’t see how their brief fixation with saving the planet did any good what so ever.

Both have more than 2 kids, drive huge 4x4s, fly on holiday twice a year...

JacquesHammer · 11/05/2019 15:41

I think a really great (and easy!) thing everyone could do is make a conscious effort to stop using single use plastic.

Of course some plastics are essential, but there’s plenty that can be re-used etc.

JurassicGirl · 11/05/2019 15:44

I'm dairy free vegetarian. My eggs come from my Uncle who keeps ex-bat hens.

Use tin foil to wrap sandwiches etc so that can be recycled.

My garden has lots of trees. Just started growing veg. Just getting water butt installed.

Buy loose fruit & veg.

Buy secondhand almost all the time.

Reusable cups/bags etc

Reusable sanitary towels (I use some disposables when very heavy/away from home) will encourage DD to when she starts her period.

Take part in beach clean ups with my dc.

Dry washing on the line whenever possible.

Splodgetastic · 11/05/2019 15:46

I don’t eat meat at breakfast or lunch ever and my lunch is usually vegan (just because of the choices I would naturally make, but I do have milk in my tea - that would be a real sacrifice!), so I don’t feel too bad about eating meat at my evening meal, although we usually have fish, vegetarian or vegan two or three times a week. I would estimate that we eat up to 400g per week. That sounds a lot, doesn’t it? And it’s usually beef because I don’t see the point in eating chicken (no iron). In fact it’s the older members of our family who encourage us to eat more veg and less meat etc. They naturally don’t as they did not have the disposable income that we do, grew their own and padded out meat with lots of veg. When DM made a bolognese for two people she would use only a quarter of a pound, not the 200g I would use.

Misty9 · 11/05/2019 15:49

I'm mainly just trying to consume less. I buy less, eat less and throw away less. I also use reusable sanpro, reusable wipes instead of tissues/kitchen roll, no bin bags, reusable cup and sandwich wrap, avoid the car if i can. And I'm giving up flying after doing it far too much. I love travelling so am getting the train instead. And reading this thread has inspired me to suggest a clothing swap event to my friends.

Too little too late I fear though Sad

kikisparks · 11/05/2019 15:50

@Gone2far food transport costs are only 11% of a food’s carbon footprint. You’re still better eating bananas from Ecuador than lamb from a sheep down the road.

pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es702969f

“We find that although food is transported long distances in general (1640 km delivery and 6760 km life-cycle supply chain on average) the GHG emissions associated with food are dominated by the production phase, contributing 83% of the average U.S. household’s 8.1 t CO2e/yr footprint for food consumption. Transportation as a whole represents only 11% of life-cycle GHG emissions, and final delivery from producer to retail contributes only 4%. Different food groups exhibit a large range in GHG-intensity; on average, red meat is around 150% more GHG-intensive than chicken or fish. Thus, we suggest that dietary shift can be a more effective means of lowering an average household’s food-related climate footprint than “buying local.” Shifting less than one day per week’s worth of calories from red meat and dairy products to chicken, fish, eggs, or a vegetable-based diet achieves more GHG reduction than buying all locally sourced food.“

We will also need less land as right now most crops grown are fed to animals.

www.wwf.org.uk/sites/default/files/2017-10/WWF_AppetiteForDestruction_Summary_Report_SignOff.pdf

“Globally, the biggest user of crop-based feed is the poultry industry in Asia-Pacific, Europe and North America, which used 41.5% of the world’s feed in 2009. Poultry increased its share of world meat production from 15% in the mid- 1960s to 32% by 2012 as per capita consumption increased threefold. In 2014, there were over 23 billion chickens, turkeys, geese, ducks and guinea fowl on the planet – more than three per person. The second largest feed crop consumer, with 30% of the world’s feed in 2009, is the pig industry. It’s grown steadily in the past decade and is forecasted to continue to climb to meet rising demand. In the UK, pork is the second favourite meat after chicken, with each person eating on average 25kg a year in 2015 – nearly the whole recommended yearly intake for all meats.”

As for grass fed:

www.futureoffood.ox.ac.uk/grazed-and-confused

“This report concludes that grass-fed livestock are not a climate solution. Grazing livestock are net contributors to the climate problem, as are all livestock. Rising animal production and consumption, whatever the farming system and animal type, is causing damaging greenhouse gas release and contributing to changes in land use. Ultimately, if high consuming individuals and countries want to do something positive for the climate, maintaining their current consumption levels but simply switching to grass-fed beef is not a solution. Eating less meat, of all types, is.”

Re-wilding or foresting of the remaining land if we were no longer grazing animals would be good for the environment.

You can also eat mostly local and plant based if you want. Kale, mushrooms, strawberries, pears, apples, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, onions, leeks, potatoes, turnips, carrots, wheat, barley, oats, rapeseed oil, peas, beans, sugar beet, celery, celeriac, artichokes, spinach, tomatoes, spring onions, squash, broccoli, parsnips, radishes, water cress, rhubarb, cucumber, asparagus, beetroot, cauliflower, lettuce, berries and more are all grown in the uk.

End0ftheW0rldaswekn0wit · 11/05/2019 15:55

No children
No pets
Not for environmental reasons, but these 2 things are supposed to be big contributers to the environment

Splodgetastic · 11/05/2019 16:04

Crumbs. I’ve just looked up the average meat consumption in the UK - it’s over 80kg per year! That must be a lot of meaty farts. Perhaps my meat consumption is not quite as outrageous as I thought it was.

LaurieMarlow · 11/05/2019 16:09

You can also eat mostly local and plant based if you want.

We you can. But to be fair a local, vegan diet in Britain in the winter won’t be much fun.

Olliphant · 11/05/2019 16:12

There is a Facebook group plasticsnotfantastic which has people sharing ways to reduce plastic, and giving up one item a week, everyweek. It's great to hear reviews on things like shampoo bars etc. Always wants new members to share hints tips and experience s

JacquesHammer · 11/05/2019 16:14

There is a Facebook group plasticsnotfantastic which has people sharing ways to reduce plastic, and giving up one item a week, everyweek. It's great to hear reviews on things like shampoo bars etc. Always wants new members to share hints tips and experience

Thanks for this, going to take a look.

I was in a local group but unfortunately they went about things in really the wrong way.

FishCanFly · 11/05/2019 16:19

Only actual sacrifice I can manage is sometimes paying a higher price for an "organic", or somehow "eco-friendly" product. Other things are less of a choice or a decision influenced by practicality rather environment-first (second-hand or local grocery shopping for example)

lisalocketlostherpocket · 11/05/2019 16:23

Not a sacrifice because it's easier, but I walk to the local shops and to the railway station rather than driving.

I don't eat yogurt, partly because it's full of sugar but also because you can't recycle the pots where I live.

I also stopped eating ice lollies because they are wrapped in plastic and because of the sticks.

I eat very little meat (no red meat, chicken once a week, fish and chips once every 2-3 weeks).

Don't have pets.

Waste very little food.

rainbowlovesfroot · 11/05/2019 16:24

I’m vegan.

HarryElephante · 11/05/2019 16:30

Until there are some major changes to legislation and proper control across the world on emissions etc, people recycling their plastic bottles and wrapping sandwiches in wax paper will make such little difference it’s negligible

But cutting meat consumption in half would.

If we're looking to the government for direction, we're looking the wrong way.

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