to think that it's appalling that society has come to this

[floraloctopus]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-48119099

The school is described as the 4th emergency service (yes, I know that's the coastguard/lifeboats) as they are providing a food bank service, helping get rid of head lice, running training courses on cooking on a budget, meanwhile they are having to make staff redundant because of budgets.

It shouldn't be like this, children and families are suffering whilst the rich get richer thanks to the government policies which take from the poor and give to the rich.

What does a libertarian society do with severely disabled people who can’t work? What happens when a child from a poor family gets cancer or is hit by a car and the parents can’t pay for healthcare?

The local community step in to help, help is at the community level not the state level

Why is it better for the local community to help than the state? What if the local community don’t or can’t help?

Snuffalo ok so stately homes with collections of art and furniture etc which are open to the public. Will they be confiscated by the state and run by the state as museums or sold to the highest bidder with the art collection put on the market?

No @southwestten some will be turned into massive Yates’ pubs (not Wetherspoons because of Brexit), some of the biggest castle- type ones will be given to benefits mums with iPhones and tattoos, and all the art sold to raise money for Staffordshire terrier rescue centres.

Are we done now?

Selfish people voting Tories and believing DM lies. What meanness

You should live on my estate if you want to see shocking scenes,there are even people sleeping out of cars! This country lost itself decades ago if truth be known, we are now in a position where there are too little resources and too much demand. The only option will be to hope on the advancements in technology in the creation and distribution of food and concrete over the country in this entirety with the services needed to comfortably sustain this ever growing population. The reality is that will not happen and things will get a lot worse before they get better. In a world there is such a thing as billionaires, what do you expect?

*Selfish people voting Tories and believing DM lies. What meanness
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Why do people still differentiate between these political parties?!?! They are all scum! When Labour was last in power they wrecked the place. When Tories come to power they continued to wreck the place - it's an ever constant cycle it's just one party wrecks it one way and the other a different way. All roads lead to Rome still!

When Labour was last in power they wrecked the place. When Tories come to power they continued to wreck the place

I've worked in education under both parties. Didn't realise at the time but under Labour it was a golden era by comparison to the horrors of now.

My mates in healthcare and social services say the same. Police numbers and council services tell the same story. The economy was doing better too.

I think the current choices are terrible, but they are not equal. Chris Grayling runs our trains FFS!

People chose this government. We get the politicians we deserve.

How would reinstating UC and all kinds of welfare help aside from short term relief? Its jobs people need, investment or private investment that creates jobs

I can't see how Tories caused this. Labour has spent spent spent. What would anyone do to fund the vast sums needed? Print money = inflation, or borrow to spend, or both? End up like Venezuela?

Tax more? They aren't going to get much more from the richest who squirrel their income in capital. It's the working masses that will get shuffed funding pensioners

That school sounds identical to the one near Derby where I did my last teaching practice , back in 1985. So while I'm not shocked and its not new, it's sad its still happening. On the bright side I was young & enjoyed the challenge & felt I was making a difference there: & the parents truly appreciated & loved the school. The school in a privileged area I taught in once qualified was so awful in comparison.

Chris Grayling runs our trains FFS!

Not ideal but remember old British Railways as was, I do;!..

They took all the industry away. That's why our working class communities are dying.

They took all the industry away. That's why our working class communities are dying.

Understandable with coal mining we hardley use it in power stations anymore, anyone here use an open fire anymore?.

Steel, produced more cheaply abroad where labour is cheaper and working conditions are less safe.

Shipbuilding?, much the same.

Any others come to mind?.

Boy Steel and multiple manufacturing industries...cars...paper...I'm sure there's more.

Mums leaving new born babies in hospital because of Universal Credit.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/mums-leaving-newborn-babies-hospital-16220268?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

the height of fucking stupidity taking head lice treatments off prescription.

lack of housing................tick
money replaced with credits............tick.

identity cards ................we are nearly there.

parliament will be televised................tick

Wilfred Greatorex was right....................he was just thirty years out.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/streamed_tv/3567778-BBC-1977-78-dystopian-drama-1990-1984-SIX-Written-by-Wilfred-Greatorexx

anyone here use an open fire anymore?.

This caught my eye. Absolutely everyone I know still burns coal at home. I don't know anyone who doesn't have an open fire or stove. Presumably that would be different if Iived in a big city though!

Anyway, that's irrelevant really. It just caught my eye.

I too feel so desperately sorry for the children born into such grinding poverty. It's a complete fantasy to think that everyone can just work their way out of a terrible upbringing if they are determined enough. I know a young teenager who is smart, funny and clever. With support at home, she could have a bright future. Instead she lives a life of misery. Her mother is severely depressed and has a drink problem. The daughter is utterly starved of love and attention, so she grabs it wherever she can, by 'relationships' with older men etc. What she wants is to be loved. She struggles with friendships because she is incapable of dealing with the nuances of human interaction, and if she is hurt in even the tiniest way she lashes out, often physically. She should be having fun with her friends. Instead she is watching her mother drink herself to death. Even if she had the concentration to study hard and do well at school, she doesn't know what to do after GCSEs because she has no idea what it's like to have a job because she doesn't know anyone who has one. Her family don't work, her neighbours don't work. The world of job hunting is as far removed from her reality as the life of the landed gentry is from mine. I'd guess her story is replicated all over the country.

schrodingersbox that is a crap statistic - tells you nothing. You don't know how much the top 1% are earning for a start- how much of the national income is "earned" by the top 1% as a percentage

It talks only about income tax not about other taxes - VAT for a start is a lot less progressive, CGT etc and all the money shielded in companies .
The point is that the UK is a rich country and children shouldn't be living like this and some form of income redistribution is necessary

helena I've been waiting for workhouses to reappear. Under a new name of course.

"Family home centres" or such.

@Backwoodsgirl

"The local community step in to help, help is at the community level not the state level"

So they have to rely on charity and local politics? There is no community in many places anyway.

Steel, produced more cheaply abroad where labour is cheaper and working conditions are less safe.

The same is true for most if our imported goods. Manufacturing is expensive in the UK and other 1st world countries because, rightly, we have strict controls on things like health & safety, workers rights and environmetal protection. These controls cost money so countries with less controls have a massive competetive advantage. However, whilst consumers get the benefit of cheaper goods all we are doing is exporting our industrial pollution and employee exploitation. We have checks and balances (such as the CE scheme) to ensure that imported products meet our quality expectations. We should also have robust processes to ensure that imports meet our ethical expectations. It should not be down to pressure groups or journalists to highlight that your trainers are made by children working 80 hour weeks or that your cooker was made in a plant that dumps raw effluent into a river. It should be robustly built in to our import regulations.

We may need more jobs but that doesn't suddenly develop a work ethic in people. If not working already or only doing the min hours to net max benefits are they really suddenly going to do more work?

Too many have children they can't afford but want. That's not the states fault. Having a benefit system that pays out per child or allows people not to work likely doesn't help though so that could be changed.

The people responsible for children are the parents.Not the Tiries, Labour etc.

The Tory’s are responsible for the cuts which have led to increased poverty, crime, failing schools, social services and increased hospital waiting times and all of this austerity led to the Brexit vote.

The mind boggles that 17.4m people voted for even more austerity.

However, it isn’t all the Tory’s fault. Some people are responsible for their own situations. They make crap choice after crap choice and their kids suffer. I’ve seen posts on here from people complaining they and DP are on a low wage living in 1 room shitty accommodation with two under 5s whilst pregnant with number 3. If you even so much as gently enquire why they are having another baby, half of MN shouts you down yelling ‘are the poor not allowed to have kids?’ but why would you actively make yours and your existing kids lives even harder by having more kids in that situation?

Yes the Tory’s are awful and dogged in their ideology of helping the rich to get richer at the expense of everyone else but let’s not pretend that some people are feckless or serial poor decision makers and this impacts their kids.

My belief is we should substantially increase funding for all state schools. This will hopefully contribute to ending generational poverty.

I'm far from a Tory but the man moaning that his monthly income had dropped from £2200? That's more than I get working full time!