How can the local election results be interpreted as support for Brexit?

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Given the tories have lost 1200 seats, labour lost 60 ish and ukip lost 30 ish (all pro brexit parties) and the lib dems have gained 600 and greens 250 (both remain parties), why on earth are both TM and JC interpreting this as the public wanting brexit 'delivered?'.
Surely if there was a strong pro brexit vote ukip would gain and the remain supporting parties would lose?
I would take this result as support for a second referendum at the very least.
Am I missing something or is this just another example of the pair of them refusing to accept the obvious?

Voting for an independent as opposed to your usual party can be fingers up to the Tories/Labour.....they are not delivering, so we won't vote for them.

I think it must be the rose tinted spectacles they are wearing.

@Contentedsoul

@quizqueen

Agree with you both.

Majority of Labour and Conservatives can't bear to abide by the referendum results. If they can't accept democracy then why should they have our vote.

Yes the Greens and Lib Dem don't accept democracy but they are up front about it. What with let's have another referendum and load put on a leave with May's deal that is so unpopular inside and outside of Parliament and let's just stay in the EU the only options. A referendum where they know that such a choice will have a remain win. Talk about gerrymandering any vote!

But as Lib Dems and Greens are seen by the majority of people as only good enough for local politics and will never be in power nationally it was the easier choice to make.

I voted Leave in 2016.
Didnt bother voting yesterday.

Will certainly be voting on the 23rd though!

The low turn out of voters, in general, made the statement that they think democracy is dead so why bother voting at all.

Well, the way democracy works in this country is that you have to vote regularly (otherwise it would be a dictatorship). If you care about the result, you get off your backside and show it. I turn out in every election, despite the fact that I live in a Tory stronghold and would never vote Tory, in the hope that something might change. For the first time in years, my Tory ward went to the Liberal Democrats, who I voted for.

If you are pro-leave and can't be bothered to vote, suits me. If people who support remain are more likely to turn out and vote, both the Conservative and Labour parties might find it's in their interests to start paying them some attention.

OP I agree with you and made almost the same point on another thread (one started by Notanidiot in fact)

It will be interesting to see if we get a similar result in the European election and, if so, how the will try to misinterpret it

The low turn out of voters, in general, made the statement that they think democracy is dead so why bother voting at all

Another poster has said that the turnout was about average for council elections not attached to GE

So is there any evidence that it was abnormally low?

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*We had a democratic vote during the referendum, the result was never and still hasn't been accepted. little wonder then that no one bothered to vote yesterday.

So clearly boycotting the right to vote was the publics way of supporting Brexi.*

Not necessarily. I agree they should Brexit because that side won. I also agree it isn't worth bothering because they have subverted democracy.

Doesn't mean I support Brexit. Just means that when they decided to do whatever the fuck they like anyway, they ignored EVERYONEs votes.

The fact the dictatorial decision of parliament agrees with mine is no comfort to me because it's coincidence not bloody democracy. I'll take my chances having my vote counted and risk losing thanks, rather than cross my fingers and hope our absolute rulers agree with me.

Our parliament's behaviour is an international embarrassment.

Again, should not be taken to mean we support Brexit.

That whole argument is insignificant compared to democratic integrity, frankly.

I don’t understand it either. I voted Lib Dem on Thursday and that’s the first time I ever have. I would never vote for them in a general election but the candidate (who went on to win the seat) is brilliant and has a well proven track record in our town. Nothing to do with Brexit for me and I am a leave voter.

I will however be spoiling my EU parliament vote if we get that far.

Democracy is dead so let’s ask for another vote on Brexit?

What a contradictory statement.

By having no more votes on Brexit, democracy is indeed truly dead.

By denying the voters the option of saying “none of the above”, democracy is dead. If people write “none” on their ballot, it isn’t counted as an actual rejection - the voter’s wishes are ignored.

Democracy is already screwed in this country.

Right now the sea coming in and out is being seen as pro Brexit straw clutching is there specially

Not strictly true confcall. Many councillors are also conference delegates where policy is decided. They will also be members who elect the incompetent leaders in the first place.

Personally I've had enough of politics.
If anything it highlighted the vast gulf that separates us all.

I honestly do not believe a single word any of them trot out. It's merely a good job with excellent pension at the end. AND that's it! They can all pretend to be as sincere and caring as they like, but that just makes me even more cynical or they can be upstart and distant which makes me suspect I was right all along.

All in all, the tide has turned, voters no longer believe either politicians, local councillors or the media. They no longer hold the stick to poke and beat us with. Times have changed, the public has grown more savvy and no longer falls to the smile and bullshit they used in the past.
There's no coming back from this now, pandoras box wasn't just opened it was thrown off a cliff!

Things will never revert, too much has been said.

A new beginning awaits - I'm now actually excited.

If you are pro-leave and can't be bothered to vote, suits me

Yep. I wonder if this might be how it plays out when casual Brexit voters have slowly realised what a stupid idea Brexit has turned out to be. See what happens in the European elections.

It’s council elections, people usually vote differently to general elections and I believe turnout was low. The Euro election in 3 weeks will be interesting!

Turnout was par for the course for a local only election. And normally people are less politically motivated for local elections. One factor round here was the impact of the police cuts.

The european elections will see remain votes split between Lib Dem's, Green and Change UK I think where as Leavers will probably focus behind the Brexit party.

YANBU OP it is infuriating me.

I came on to post the picture woman19 posted.

I voted independent because I'm cross with Tories for how theyve dealt with (well haven't) Brexit. I considered spoiling my ballot. We voted to leave, and we should have left already. I think most leavers either spoilt the ballot, didn't vote, or voted independent. I can't imagine many leavers voting for Tory or Labour at this point!

I said exactly the same thing op.
who knows

I nearly didn't vote in the locals (and know lots who didn't) but did in the end. Only the three main parties standing in my area. Was a toss up for me between conservatives and libdems. Would I even consider voting Libdems in a GE, definitely not.

23rd of May will be much more interesting and I will be at my polling station for doors opening.

You're not missing anything. They had decided what they want and were always going to interpret the results accordingly.

The answer to your question OP, is Gaslighting.