Mums microdosing

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www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2019/may/03/psychedelic-drugs-women-taking-tiny-doses-hattie-garlick

Anyone into this? Prefer macrodosing myself but each to their own.

Oh yes, I read this earlier.
I think I’d get paranoid tbh.
I can see how it’s better than self medicating through alcohol (which is so normalized) and I do think it would give you a little spring in your step.
Not a big fan of people driving under the influence of anything though.
The comments are interesting too. Some people mentioned it was a rather middle class thing to do. Not sure about that one...

Nope. But it sounds like a great way to get through the tedium of chatting to Other Children's Parents at school pick-up /drop-off.

I saw this earlier. My Italo reaction was - no! DRUGS!! But then I stopped, engaged a brain cell and realised I’m partial to glass or two of wine of an evening, drink a shit ton of coffee and tea and take an SSRI. Would it really be any different to that?! IN that moment I was definitely a hypocrite and to be honest, I’d probably try it.

I’d try it too.

@bettys

That's the thing, drink a couple of bottles of wine and throw up on yourself, all good wholesome fun, take a moderate amount of a fungus that people have used as a sacrament for thousands of years your a

'druggie'. Absolute nonsense imo

I just got an email to say I’d been @mentioned but I have no idea what you
are talking about

There are lots of bettys on here, best to use the full name 😂

Sorry was referring to bettyslefttentacle

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Ew, this is just a bit creepy.

What's creepy

I can't clicky the link but I think it's different because having an evening 'off' and some mildly mind altering substances is different to being in a continually mind altered state. I'm pretty sure any mum who was constantly necking 'micro' amounts of vodka would not be considered to be ok!

I'm pretty content with my day to day life without having to alter my mental state artificially to deal with it, if I wasn't happy I'd change my life not my perception of it.

I'd try it

My kingdom

What if the things that make you unhappy are things you can't change?

I’m very happy with my life but my brain didnt get the memo and I still have a mental illness.

You can be absolutely over the moon with your life and still experience it as stressful and exhausting. My impression was, these women are microdosing to cope with that, to help them enjoy their life and do their very best when it’s a bit tough for them. No different to me taking the medication I do. The more I think about it, the more I can’t see what’s wrong with it.

After trying most anti depressants over the last 30 years without much success, I'd give it a go.

Well if it's as a form of medication then that makes sense.

What if you can't change your life.. hmm. I guess is that actually can't or malaise can't? The former then I guess whatever gets you through.

What about when micro ceases to be enough though? Your body will come to tolerate the dose and need a higher level to have the same result. That could spiral if you're using it in a dependant way like this.

No judgment from me. But it’s a potential slippery slope to start using substances to get through normal day to day drudgery and make it more tolerable/enjoyable. Once you’ve experienced going to a child’s birthday party with the warm glow of a psychoactive substance it’s very difficult to go to the next one without doing so, especially when you have access to it whenever you want. Before you know it even normal daily activities like playing with your kids (as she mentions in the article) seem empty without the additional chemical help. And within a short space of time you start to wonder what the point is of doing things without dosing, become preoccupied, stop doing things when you can’t access the substance.

Doesn’t need to be a physical dependence promoting drug. It can be something that doesn’t lead to addiction like weed. It’s just something to be aware of. Set yourself a hard limit at the start ‘I will only do this once per fortnight’ and if you find yourself trying to talk yourself into breaking the rule or disproportionately looking forward to the next dose/thinking about it all the time you have a problem.

And I’ll add... literally everyone thinks addiction won’t happen to them. There are many people living with addiction, a proportion, a significant proportion, of people who are sure they can manage it appropriately turn out to be wrong. And there’s no way of knowing which camp you’ll be in until you begin.

I’m not anti drugs. I’m pro decriminalisation, pro legalisation. But it’d be naive to think this is a nice fun idea with no downsides. Be aware and make informed decisions :)

We seem to have gone back in time. Didn't that rocking new band The Rolling Stones write a brand new single "Mother's Little Helper" about this just the other week?

I always thought that was the saddest song - her (maternal) life is so shit that she needs to be permanently under the influence of something just to get through it.

"If you want to change your life, change your life. It won't happen in here" to quote Antonio the hairdresser in Fleabag.

I love this top comment below the article;

“Next week: "I pour vodka on my cornflakes to help me through the day, but it's fine coz it's artisan vodka, and I'm middle class"...”

Spot on Penguincake.

Curious to see the responses if the article is about a working class mum who smokes heroin once or twice per day to make it through. Not a huge enough amount for an overdose, just a small dose to take the edge off the boredom of playing with her kids or going to work at the local petrol station on nights.

I listened to a podcast a few years back about microdosing. The two presenters did it for a week but didn't tell their co-workers etc. They felt that they were super focused, better off on it. But when they asked their co-workers if they had noticed anything different they all said that they had been distracted and acting weird all week. I wouldn't go for it.

There's a lot of conflation going on here. People talking about drug abuse and tolerance as if they're pharmacologists or have ever taken anything stronger than some whisky

Alcohol dependence - alcoholism - works differently to psychoactive substances. And taking LSD or mushrooms isn't the same as that or something so completely addictive as heroin or strong opioids.

I haven't taken LSD - don't fancy it, wouldn't know where to get it, am not interested - but the POINT of microdosing is doing it in such small amounts and irregularly that any psychological dependence or tolerance doesn't build up. Plus these drugs work differently to something like weed or coke to which tolerance is something more linear

These women aren't harming anyone and in most cases, trying to treat mental illness. Having taken antidepressants, strong painkillers etc, the physical effects of withdrawing from the antidepressants was always the worst thing

And they're not gateway drugs. Something like mushrooms are very different from heroin

And there are things like ketamine infusions being used to treat depression being trialed. Totally different from buying a class A off the street, but would that be acceptable now that it might be on the NHS? Silly

As others have pointed out, I’m curious what the response would be if this article was about working class women using substances instead of palatable middle class women.