having a wibble, Manchester Arena related

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booked an event that's happening later on this year, happening at Manchester Arena, at the time I didn't think about the events and it later occurred to me, dh and I having a bit of a wibble now. I'm trying to reassure myself that security should be really tight there, and assuming events have happened there since but I'm curious what would everyone else do?

The British want to claim the Northern Irish, then disown them when they bomb the fuck out of themselves. Then they're Irish

Well Britain! - maybe stop declaring everywhere yours!

They're Irish. And they will always be Irish. Tell that to the Queen then. and we wouldn't have all this bullshit in the first place.

I actually see the DUP as being the biggest threat to peace in the whole thing. I'm watching and observing as an interested observer. I've no horse in the race. But they are so unbelievably unyielding, I'm not surprised that those who negotiated the peace process received medals and Nobel Peace prizes. I'd have just walked out on day 1 lol. Then again, I have fuck all patience.

The DUP are also Northern Irish and British. Not Irish.

As an Irish person, I don't understand why the troubles in northern Ireland would be exclusively down to "British terrorists", I'm from Waterford and still not that blind to the Irish element, but that's for a different debate*

Absolutely agree, the IRA often recruted from the republic, there are certian areas of dublin that were massive recruitement grounds. josey wants to ignore that which is as about as helpful as the uk ignoring the DUP/Uluster Unionist part in the troubles. Which trust me there are very few people who understand what Teressa May has done by linking up with the DUP officislly, i'm often told it was just the Sein Fein/IRA no no no UK DUP are as scummy as the old Sein Fein, tbh worse, at least Sein Fein denounced the IRA the DUP have never denounced their terrorist branches.

People seem to think that NI & Ireland are the same. They couldn't be more different really!

I couldn't agree with you more on this josey it frustrates me immensely when their taken as the same country. Even more when English clain the republic as part of the union.

NI belongs to Britain/UK couldn't care less what the terminology is, but the IRA were British Subjects I'm sorry to tell you

Nope they are UK Citizens, not brotish subjects and if termonolgy doesnt matter dont get upset when people call the republic "southern ireland" or "the south" respect goes both ways. And not all of them, tjey recruited from Dublin. So are you saying Dublin is part of the union now.

i actually see the DUP as being the biggest threat to peace in the whole thing

Oh absoultely! Its frustrating that people in the UK dont see the unionist part in the issue

There’s a difference between ethnicity and nationality. Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland were one undivided country until 1921 and everyone was ‘Irish but living under British rule. As I understand it the people in the six counties were ethnic Irish under Brish rule the day before the partition and remained ethnic Irish under British rule even after the rest of the country established themselves as the Irish Free State and became self governing ethnic Irish.

Ethnicity doesn’t change when borders change. If Russia invaded the U.K. tomorrow and declared a Russian colony inside the M25 I might have to become a Russian citizen but I wouldn’t be Russian.

As I understand it the people in the six counties were ethnic Irish under Brish rule the day before the partition and remained ethnic Irish under British rule
And that's where you're wrong. A large proportion of NI was planted by Scottish Lords (landowners). A large proportion of NI are not at all Irish.

Yes josey but by definition the scot ethnic background are unionist and loyalists. As in they want to remain part of the union.

The IRA are Irish, ethnicly, and republican, as in they want one whole united ireland that are seperate to the union, hint really being in the word "republican". Many many are from the republic or families that come from the counties within the republic.

No. They're Irish ethnically in British owned territory. They are British.
They are not Irish. They are owned by Britain. Except when they plant bombs. Then they're Irish apparently.

My point is, Northern Irish and Irish are very different people. Yet, as an Irish person, the first thing most will question is whether I'm NI or from the south. Northern Irish are British, be they Catholic or Protestant. Nobody seems to be capable of getting it into their thick skulls though. It was never the Irish fighting, it was the NI British subjects fighting.

And to be quite honest, I think Leo Varadkar has gone above and beyond the call of duty to try to maintain the GFA. The fighting never really hit Ireland (apart from a few bombs by the British Army in Dublin). We were never bombed out of it. It was British territory that was. So it's not an Irish problem, it's a British problem.

I don’t know if this is helpful or not to be honest but I always find it a little bit misleading to be called the arena attack. It was actually in Victoria train station, which is attached to the arena, so the checks make no odds at all. I wouldn’t worry about the arena itself, plenty of security. Are you going to avoid all train/tram stations?

I would only have a wibble on arriving, not because of any continued threat, just sadness of what happened there. But then I’d enjoy the show.
I attended a similarly sized venue not long after the bombing and security was tight there (although it usually is anyway), I had a fleeting thought of ‘what if it happened here?’ but knew I was being irrational. Again not a fear of it actually happening but a hypothetical wondering.

My point is, Northern Irish and Irish are very different people. Yet, as an Irish person, the first thing most will question is whether I'm NI or from the south

No one has disagreed with you on that. What has been unhelpful about your points is the total denial that they recruited from the republic. Its the same as beitish denying the unionist terrorism

I'm irish too.

They didn't recruit from the Republic! They had enough wannabe terrorists in their own territory!

Give me one name who was recruited from the Republic - although - there's always one - given me 10 names.